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You are welcome. Both Mers and Sars gave an insight into how a flu pandemic could emerge and in turn be dealt with effectively. Eyes have been on Asia for a long time as the most likely place for an avian flu pandemic to break out as we both know, although birds migrate, so continuous testing of migratory birds goes on too. It is too early to say what the full impact of COVID19 could be, but the immediate concern for most governments is the high percentage of people who need intensive in patient care to recover. 10% of any population is a lot of people, and especially if they all become ill at the same time.

The 2018-2019 flu vaccine was 44.1% effective. Yes, 2017-2018 was particularly low at that 15%. On child uptake, you will find all the figures in the opening paragraphs of this report. It varies from 44 to 75.9% depending on country within the UK. https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/839350/Surveillance_of_influenza_and_other_respiratory_viruses_in_the_UK_2018_to_2019-FINAL.pdf You can find previous years reports here. https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/annual-flu-reports Hope that helps.

That is the right approach imo. How many people die, will depend on how widely the virus takes hold. Seasonal flu kills around half the percentage that this new virus seems to kill, but the reason why the seasonal flu figure is so low in real terms is because of an organised seasonal vaccination programe for the most vulnerable groups. Once there is a vaccine in place for COVID19, that too would become akin to seasonal flu. Until then however, the more the virus can be contained, the more likely the number of deaths will stay low in real terms, and the more likely we are to get to a vaccine before that changes.

Uncleglen seems to think the left only existed through trade unions. He ignores things like civil rights movements, and the French Revolution, because he knows diddly squat about any of it. Uncleglen has been indoctrinated with ideas like, only BAME people sexually abuse children, only BAME people are driving the drugs trade etc and that they use white people to do so. THAT is the moronic rant of a racist bigot.

You make a very good point TE44. There are other cultures around the world who are more spiritual in their approach to life but on a person to person level, I am not sure they are any more devoid of the everyday squabbles than the rest of us.

What on earth are you talking about now Uncleglen? The WRP are no more representative of the left than the far right are of the right. The point still remains that the left, as the historical voice of the working classes, has recognised the shared struggle with BAME groups. The right, whioh prefers the Darwinian principle of survival of the fittest, and divide and rule, has not.

lindylou Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I've not seen one post on here, ever,condemning the Asian grooming gangs which are predominantly against white girls. Racism is a two > way train. That probably has something to do with there being no convictions of groups of Asian men abusing children in East DuLwich. The graffiti was posted as it occurred in East Dulwich.

Class inequalities are what underpin most of the grievances that emerge as fodder for identarians. That those most disadvataged by class then go and vote for libertarian populists is the perfect example of how the establishment keep that very class system in play. It was never about being white. It was about not being poor. Conflation with ideas around ethnicity is a red herring and far more complex than just saying that white people have it good, BAME people don't. Some people succeed in life in all ethnic groups. What it is true to say though is that a higher proportion of BAME people are in lower socio-economic groups than their non BAME counterparts. There are many reasons for that, including historical ones and ingrained prejudice. The truth is that white working class people, have more in common with BAME people when it comes to disadvantage than they realise. The left have always understood this and sought to unify. The right have always ignored it, preferring divide and rule.

This is where things will get complicated next winter, as people suffering from ordinary chest infections seek testing for COVID-19. It also seems as though five to ten percent of those infected require ICU treatment to recover. This is why the Chinese built those two new hospitals in a week. If this virus takes hold, we could be in trouble. The UK only has around six thousand ICU beds nationwide. If only a quarter of the population become infected, we would still need something towards half a million ICU beds available during the pandemic. There are only 170k beds of any kind in total nationwide. I would be curious to know what the government is doing to prepare should this scenario emerge.

People on the hard left don't tend to write graffiti on walls telling people to go back to their own country. Antisemitism is antisemitism, be it from the far right OR the hard left. Both should be condemned, as should racism and any other prejudice. Racism from one end does not become ok because the other extreme have their own issues. So ditch the whataboutery Grove Boy. Even better would be if you also acknowledged that xenophobia, whipped up by the likes of Farage and the far right, found its vehicle through Brexit. The emboldened hate against foreigners began the very next day after the referendum.

I think the reality now is that this virus is going to spread globally. How much it can be contained from its worst impacts is the big unknown. Some people also carry the virus and pass it on but never show any symptoms. Hard to safeguard against that.

Even if a mental health issue is identified at school, it would still be referred to an outside agency for treatment.

I think you are not understanding the service these types of centers offer. The people staffing will be qualified health and youth service professionals. You can't treat all young people as though they are likely to misbehave in some way.

You live in a dense urban area John. There is always going to be antisocial behaviour around bars and pubs. Those bars and pubs have been there for a long time. Not saying you should have to put up with it, but expecting peace and quiet around that kind of sector is just not realistic. And having already insulted young people with low level mental health problems, you now conflate them with 'gangs'? Really?

And who is leaving the main doors to your flats open? Sounds as though you have more of an issue with other residents than anything going on outside. And the presumption that any young person going to the center would just walk into your building is quite frankly offensive. Anyone up to no good can already do that if the door is left open.

So it is not a young offenders center that is being opened there, but a center to help young people with mental health services. The two are entirely different things. The latter absolutely should be welcomed.

JohnL, Rye Lane IS a retail area. The clue is in that it is full of shops, bars and other retail space. Yes the premises in question might be at the bottom end of that space, but nonetheless, it is still part of Rye Lane. And FYI Rye Lane has been a retail area for at least 100 years. You might also be surprised to find that plenty of vulnerable people already do live around you. You even back onto a council estate (shock horror) where some teenage offenders actually live. No surprise either that you complain about a snooker hall/ club that has also been there for a longer time than you. And you might also be surprised to find that most shop chains have security doormen. You really must get out more.

It is more likely to be a service center for low level offenders to support them into a more constructive direction. Rye Lane is a retail area and these low level offenders probably already go there, for shopping if nothing else. So let me be the one to go there. Stop being a NIMBY Lcoe2. Think this through in a sensible way. Edited to add, nothing on either the planning OR licensing registers. Given the existing licenses are for retail space, there is nothing as yet that indicates any change of use.

Good to see differences of opinion being debated civilly no matter what kind of english expresses them :D

There is a shortage of mental health wards and bed with beds in the private sector being used at greater expense to the NHS. The whole system of mental health provision needs an overhaul, and not just in terms of treatment, but also in terms of prevention. A lot more could be done to reduce stress for example, which is why Southwark's policy around giving free fitness center access to those with health conditions (including mental health) on GP referral is a good investment. But for treatment to be effective, it has to be long term and at the moment, everything is rationed in a way that it can be argued is ineffective. When it comes to this man, there is an issue around at which point is an underlying condition treatable in the community, and at what point does a condition become a threat to other people or the patient themself? This is often a hard one to call. Antisocial behaviour that is verbal, isn't restricted to those with mental health conditions after all. Assaulting someone by throwing coffee in their face won't always lead to a custodial sentence either. What we do not know is what care and/ or treatment plan this man is currently under (he is almost certainly likely to be already known to local mental health teams), nor what view is taken of the alleged physical assaults (the hot coffee and pushing). It sounds to me as though some day to day supervision is needed to assess his general behaviour.

This is precisely why I think it will be rethought Keano, as the obvious problems emerge in practise. Priti has a track record of poor understanding of most of the things she expresses views on, so I take her comments with a pinch of salt. She also has poor judgement and it is only a matter of time before she messes up, as she did when she unofficially met Isreali officials.

Just back on the unemployed taking up those low skilled jobs that immigrants will no longer fill. Priti seems to forget that those in receipt of UC (and not sick or disabled) are already required to apply for those jobs if they live near to them. But where are the hoards of unemployed living around farms to go and pick lettuces for min wage? The full employment claim is also a red herring as a person only has to be doing one hour of work a week to be classed as employed by government figures. Zero hours contracts and a million plus full time workers in need of top up benefits to meet basic living costs is the real story behind those figures. The figure for long term unemployed has consistently sat at around 240k ish. Using the term 'economically inactive' may indeed signal a move to force those beyond the category of 'able bodied' unemployed into jobs, although quite how they intend to manage this is going to be another matter. Employers don't want unsuitable people foisted onto them either.

The Greeks want their Marbles back as part of any deal apparently. Quite fitting as we seem to have lost ours ;)

And many more elderly/ or mobility challenged people do not have the means to own a car. Free parking is not a right. I totally understand there are issues around genuinely disabled people failing to get BB's, and that seems to be the real issue here. I think more people would have sympathy with something being done to address that, than keeping parking free for everyone.

Councils are strapped for cash after years of central funding cuts. Adult social care is a more pressing issue than parking in parks surrounded by free on street parking and good transport links. It is a question of priorities and has nothing to do with pitching communities against each other ffs.