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citizenED

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  1. But c'mon guys the yout will need their Pledge to do with their ID cards, innit
  2. Why would I want to pledge an allegience to Queen - never gave a fig for that Freddie Mercury fella
  3. Out of expediency, doctors have to take the "...for what I have done and what I have failed to do..." approach to those that are slipping away. They can act to do something or omit to do it. Either way , as *Bob* says, doctors already take decisions about the deaths of patients.
  4. not only "Father Dear Father", Quids, but "The Vicar of Interminable Dibly". I'll join you at confession...
  5. I'm still grumpy as hell about it. Beat Milan at the San Siro on Tuesday, lose* to Wigan on the battlefields of Lancashire on Sun. *well, we may as well have.
  6. I think you are talking about freedom, Dom, not community or society. You say that "..the ultimate goal of any civilised society was ... the right of ...individuals to pursue their own happiness and success." In so doing you seem to accept that there is a society. All individuals need the community, all individuals exist within society. I agree that freedom for individuals within society is a desired goal. But somehow promoting the idea that individuals could become free from society ie join in with the good bits but jettison the unsavoury parts - which I sensed Thatcher believed - always struck me as philosophically and morally wrong. The fact that we have a sprawling underclass of disaffected people is to my mind a testimony to the failure of Thatcherism.
  7. Heart of Glass - Blondie
  8. I guess one reason that some people have remained quiet on this thread is out of a general sense of respect - you should not speak ill of the dead, and that evidently covers the very old too, so many anti-Thatcherite are understandably keeping their powder dry. I lived in Coventry during the Thatcher years and boy, it was grim. The place was known as Giro City. The car industry was devastated and the heart was thus ripped out of a formerly proud place. A few McJobs were created. What hurt was the sense of being kicked when you were down. Sad middle aged men with no future, twiddling their thumbs as they awandered aimlessly round the city in their shell suits. Relentless pontifications about how folk ought to get on their bike to find work even as they were squeezed to buggary by successive policies that felt like they were implimented to rub salt in the wounds. If it was bad in the Midlands I can't begin to think what it was like in places like Liverpool. Maybe British Industry needed a root and branch transformation. Perhaps the Unions needed to be challenged. But hindsight is a wonderous thing and thaough it appears that it "worked" perhaps it didn't need to be done with quite so much vitriol. It was the "one-of-us or one-of-them" language that irked so much. And the quote that MM mentioned, that "no such thing as society" one, which is so patently inaccurate. If Britain changed direction under Thatcher, European Politics were changing too, with its focus on human rights. I, for one, am glad that regulation from Europe on social and other issues is around to counter the excesses of the Thatcherite Free Market model. I would argue that Blair did more for Britain than Thatcher though certainly Thatcher had a harder job as she had to change things and Blair merely had to steady things. Conversely, Thatcher had the easier War to fight, and came up smelling of political roses, whereas Blair had the impossible Iraq/War against Terror conflict and be-spattered by the fallout.
  9. When was the Leeds/Sunderland Final? Apparently that was the last time there was no team from either London, Liverpool or Manchester in the Final. I hope West Brom win. Long live the FA Cup
  10. Here is a carrot, here is a stick. Guess which one Thatcher chose? How about, "Look people, the world is changing, we need to consider other ways of structuring society and the workplace so that we can cope". No. "I know let's pull the rug from under everyone, then watch them wallow in the mire until they can sort it out for themselves".
  11. This man has been somewhere near you - like in Peckham at the Kentish Drovers and Forest Hill at the Capitol 7 Year Pub Crawl
  12. liked flong - but they weren't arounf f'long
  13. The signs on cigarette packets say "smoking will kill you" They don't stop people smoking. You could put signs on the packets saying, "if you drop a butt, you'll get fined 75 smackers". It won't stop people doing it. fining people 75 quid might.
  14. Alas, when she passes, there will be as many who'll want to heap big praises on her - I would kinda opt for a truce, we'll have no street party if you don't go on and on and on about her legacy. A three line obit. in the Telegraph would do and we'll say no more.
  15. ...the Forum, and all who sail in her. (i hate....counting)
  16. What do you expect, Arnie is his Dad......oh, right, not that Arnie
  17. Cemetery Gates - the Smiths
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