???s and Keef, hope neither of you leave the thread. As for 'plastic fans' etc. not sure who it was aimed at but think it's out of order. At school you were a plastic fan if you didn't go the match and thus, your opinion on anything football was discredited regardless of your passion. Many kids didn't go to the match simply because they couldn't afford it. I took this belief with me to university, (ie don't go to the match you're no fan, don't come from the town, you're a glory hunter) where, thankfully I met enough people to make me realise that overall, these claims are nonsense. Some of the most passionate, ardent football fans I have met (unfortunately Liverpool)aren't from the city. Two of the lads I go to Everton games with are from Hertfordshire, they are both more knowledgeable and passionate about the club than I am. It's easy enough to spot a bullshitter but to discredit everyone who neither goes to the match or hails from the appropriate town as plastic, or, unworthy of debate is a disservice to many. That said, I do love a chorus of, 'can you spot the scouser in the kop'.