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north2south Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Might be worth a pause in this rather unusual > thread to consider the Israeli civilian murders > over the past few weeks. And no, that doesn't mean > every action taken by Israel/the Israeli > Government is correct. Any death is tragic. Israeli deaths are widely reported in mainstream media and world wide. Atrocities against Palestinians are mostly ignored or hardly reported and are far more frequent. Human Rights Watch, B?Tselem and Amnesty International have declared Israel an apartheid state. https://www.btselem.org/

Lots of it Oakhurst Grove.

wolis Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > In the past few years my wife and I have been on > quite a few marches - anti war, anti brexit , pro > NHS etc. All were done with many thousands of > fellow marchers and all done in good spirits. We > booed outside Downing St. to protest against Bush > on his London visit and cheered when a Brexit vote > went against the goverment while were in > Parliament Square. Did any of these marches have > the slighest effect on the powers to be. NO. > Britain still invaded Iraq, and Afganistan and > left the EU and what mistakes they have turned out > to be. If only Tony, George or Boris had asked us > two for advice! Extinction Rebellion want to > bring London to a standstill, something the IRA > failed to do during their campaigns or indeed, the > Luftwaffe. I've no doubt a lot have genuine and > worthwhile intentions and in many ways we support > them, but I think they would have more effect if > they blocked Westminster, for example, and > prevented the people in power from going about > their daily work, but causing a few local traffic > problems annoys a small number of people and > wastes police time. But any lasting effect - NO. It would have been even more tragic if those events had gone on with no demonstrations.

We are all upset about Ukraine so why not be upset about Gaza and Palestine? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/01/palestinian-baby-dies-after-treatment-delayed-by-israeli-blockade-of-gaza?fbclid=IwAR2flbP6zSSuH_HI_uhg2AlBgp_l5HJ_sHpmOsTwjd9RZwf53BDm5FjuvJM

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Thanks to every one who joined in on our last meeting, and a big welcome to Charlie, Alex and Jessica. It was a superb meeting, one of our best in 12 years! Our next meeting is on the 27th April at 7.00 pm on zoom again. Our next book is Unsettled Ground by Claire Fuller: https://www.theguardian.com/books/2021/apr/24/unsettled-ground-by-claire-fuller-fierce-angry-energy All the best,

TheCat Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I previously was very pro-war and pro-nuclear > weapons, couldnt get enough of them. > > Until I became aware that the Dalai Lama and some > physicists were against them. Turns out that war > is good for, uhh, absolutley nothing! Who knew. > > Im sure vladimir putin will have a similar > epiphany once he reads the letter. It's good for the arms industry.

Tandoori Nights.

It is Southwark but officials had Lambeth jackets on.

What was going on in Oakhurst Grove? Three police cars, tow away truck & Lambeth council oficial.

I would attend but have to go to Cambridge. Good luck and good weather!

Just a reminder.

What is GC and cis?

Just a reminder.

"A look at STW's website this morning and it has 4 'leading articles', 2 of which are pointing the finger at NATO being the cause for the war in Ukraine." Again so what? That doesn't mean STW is pro Putin or pro Russia, just against all war's in what ever country and for what ever reason.

So what. Tatchell doesn't represent any body apart from Tatchell. I still haven't seen any evidence to suggest STW are pro Russian, quite the opposite. Don't forget we were happy to bomb Syria. diable rouge Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > As Peter Tatchell points out, STW have previous > when it comes to covert support for Putin and > Russia... > > When we stood in solidarity with #Syria's > democrats against Russian imperialism in 2016, > Stop the War did NOT condemn #Russia's terror > bombing of civilians in #Aleppo & other Syrian > cities. They called us "agents of US imperialism"

"You keep saying I'm not answering but I am answering and you aren't listening - Putin is using NATO as an excuse to justify his behaviour - and STW are buying it and repeating it. SO they are defect supporting Putin. I'm not saying STW literally back the ware - I'm saying they are giving Putin support by agreeing with his lies" Putin doesn't need an excuse, look at Crimea in 2014. No body in STW supports or gives sucker to Putin. What you are suggesting is as daft as saying if you support a united Ireland you must support the IRA.

Maybe I have missed something, aren't NATO moving eastward? I have seen many pictures from the demonstration at the weekend and I didn't see one pro Russia poster. You still haven't given any evidence that STW is pro Putin, it isn't, that's the kind of rubbish Johnson & co spout. So again where is your evidence that STW movement is pro Putin?

I think it's reasonable to criticise NATO without in any way supporting Putin's position. The track record of NATO hasn't been brilliant. Opposing the invasion of Iraq didn't mean you supported Hussain.

I don't think anyone on Stop the war protest supported Russia and you have no evidence that they did. I personally Loath Putin and have done so since his sojourn into Chechnya in the 90's. (which we kept quiet about) > > So when I see a stop the war movement on streets > of London, waving their Russian flags and blaming > the west, or NATO for what is happening (the same > words as Putin) then yes, I am going to conclude > they have taken Putin's side

So are you all gung ho and pro war? Where is your evidence that Stop the War movement is pro Russia? It simply against war, has been since 2003. Sephiroth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I see the stop the war clowns are protesting in > London today. With their hammer and sickle flags. > > > Ffs

KK your in box is full again.

Just a reminder.

Dear book group, Evie Wyld will be joining us 30th March. She has a colourful past growing up Australia in a sugar cane farm. Her English family were quite posh living I think in Salisbury or somewhere like that in complete contrast to her Australian family. Do try and join, this will be good meeting. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evie_Wyld

Are you for real? Brideshead Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Hi EDF-ers!!! > > Sad to report that the daily newspapers are > already going wrong again? after just only 3 or 4 > weeks. > > Last Monday there were NO newspapers at all at > 1400. No explanation, no apology, no information. > > Today - inexplicably - no Daily Mirror. > > No explanation, no apology, no concern by staff. > Just ?it wasn?t in the delivery?. > > Two failures in one week? Maybe chase up the > supplier? Maybe that?s way over dramatic! > > Wonder if Southwark council - that is you & me - > the taxpayers are still being billed for > literally, well, nothing? Send your answers in on > a postcard, don?t even waste EDF server data > storage!!! > > Maybe local government Southwark are trying to > match the Boris government at national level. > Dysfunctional, unaccountable, ineffective, > inconsistent & unable to achieve even the simplest > thing. (Disclaimer: Last sentence is a ?Personal > opinion?).