Mick Mac

Not so clever maybe Jah - right click on the image and Google does it for you https://www.google.co.uk/search?tbs=sbi:AMhZZiuDhgzdg-gFCtLGPs49C--BfdY_1HizSwxtGUB2MUxeDJJ_1VUXu18GufZpdPMgnlG1e5c30SO1cvRCDzpe2WZFS5O3oZ7xoEyYiJR4lIhlFIVcWxqvVbWhW9d3LH2dcByi55vb8OLDkVDQnoyRd_1TXOOITjlKcCxIr9C47sxqCfne7Gq_1nfmmVrMW8N6fkWdIFJtub6hGz0hT0sfVIO62u2s9lcxmNo1y1iW_1DVI3TjarkCyTHj5vgb1tr3haGvrvyPad-Vdu1VrkOKzNtX7bEdg5GJ8JwaXmTDHoo0t-IP9ZRMq-HgSYPSmUeiSkGg8DxXqTBy2zUWZKgAMiUWnFYsv8NN5SdM-AMSQPqf9fkIjLrONoPpmmLJY27OjzlCKOlAuw7fHaqYhQmCX1ITsYnj5W1G4oqeEW605KzOQIUwl6qnm7Xl-K7iGRRmKUYQ2KgCuddidXNxVkJB83gYPn19n5UrpjK_1PZjndYniRFa9zImxpLi5qYB0ZSfhQNlnLGpW2MW-poAce1n6z66OzTrlytFgWNAVYMEbh5MYGVRoPMulQERiZuILo9fYue9Tr5q20sJDT4OqS6oKpUSRqSrz52FlENQUiYdHL6aAiAU96I0bFthMoadONvYsOImfTqdcoWKANDjp2-XAC3vAPs8qeX95C200SjwLuPiua7my0sD5JoII1wmx_1tOCpl5QpcBQic_1SvfobkwstBK2PCjwLlTOu6WKVZD-4UZRzQzO0UPHQxsT58P-ZdBbRs55TA9Cb9CQLQcNbadHnkl1LIwsaiu4o7BDftA641jb0DPFEYnXc6W2uhqqdmQb7Y8_1dJeVw14OD-pnmmnJ7vBI70vrGfgFB7JQELQeOBimIq-Fg6BRwJizrultee7SB3MvBomccAbMtYzvguSUzM1-yWypFSPiW-P-UckDUZv-Nwojp_15T50U31hFqJk6KAa7P8MTBunHnpXUe9Y5o8N7eCZVpgVRI5g8Cq5xERxZ_1jkeVC1EOmPmqZ_1h8LPcCdFpP5GGTjOT4VQUd4L4dQMn6OHoxunLKeVpuYtxQwCi6Ew79hrTjRAZy1vcxcVd47v9YZ2aA1JC2cAiogizXYAL3S9C2QCa76FENdooRTkeM9OPh4HhtQALcK0V3NFQ7LX1Se5_1JGO4x57TVm_1H-KZ6KYxG6jtYKmvOYbB0aSaDX8pDTSsntdrANp9hlzalBAY1dWbkcWiFew64B0EnIfNXL2YsREv5pkBF6rIJmhl6wErus8anzZiVjHFLQn56U4FQbQTmNVIwLeLbK5rlwedLjwNryl9d2psRq4TMxys5ZvLJdjsPnwGnZNP3SFKf_1Fz2SkYXgW3stLu5sd_1tOU2Mvtv7Ue8OF_1yP7RtbK0h_17Vx2LQ2WiQXYwKRRFOKBydCWK9pV6UNxxcPK4M5HfMC-t6HwzyLoAihlyqRsTom1cagC4bguLf1y2PH35E6ocXCGZUsesFXC1k0

LondonMix Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > SB- unless you aren't overlooked, I'd avoid all > glass. Surely not. Its all about space and light, isn't it?

Me neither. I'm a definite no this time - Soz.

There is something comforting about "spending" money that immediately adds value. Loft conversions are great value in London currently - for about ?60k you can get two bedrooms and a bathroom - that could add 150k to the value of a house. If that takes you from a 3 bed to a 5 bed, that's worth doing. But having said that they aren't appropriate for every house, some houses in ED are already 5 bedrooms without a loft conversion. I agree with RD about the small gardens of some ED houses can then be top heavy, but its not a perfect world and people seem more and more accepting of this as it becomes the norm.

When is a quote not a quote....

red devil Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The OP was looking for a 6m long extension, and > people have said around ?50k for the basic shell, > but P.O.U.S was quoted for only 3m, so ?25k sounds > about right... I wish I'd asked you to do my side return RD. :) But I think in general you will get competitive quotes from various builders and 25k is very competitive even for a 3m version of a side return - but from my own one off experience, I'd recommend doing it with a specialist firm and, as a safeguard, to use a separate structural engineer (about 1k) for the initial drawings.

P.O.U.S.theWonderCat Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I was quoted 25K for a basic single storey side > return extension without the kitchen refit for 3m > x 1.2m. Needless to say, I didn't proceed. Why not ? Was it because the quote was too cheap ?

I had the pleasure of being brought up surrounded by these religious freaks, who live in the dark ages and think that religion should be the law. Whilst this case seems relatively benign it represents a much greater underlying problem and that's why the case is an important marker and the right decision You can't be open for business and only provide a service to those of the same belief as yourself - otherwise it's the road to lawful discrimination.

Good value tip RD !

45-55k for the build cost - but before you know it you could be nearer 100k in my experience, depending on kitchen, flooring, bifold etc. but those are discretionary spends so you will have some control over these costs. If you are having difficulty getting quotes suggest you contact Plus Rooms who are very quick with their quotes. They did ours and also have two on-going on Friern Road at the moment. http://plusrooms.co.uk/

All this proves is that, in general, less well off people vote for change. Well off people vote for the status quo.

Each to their own. Some people think golf is boring.

I stand corrected. I tend to be on holiday when the Olympics are on.

rendelharris Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Mick Mac Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Interesting point.... > > > > Oscar P once asked to run in the "normal" > Olympics > > and was refused > > > > There is no automatic right in top class > athletics > > to bring everyone up to the same level. > > He was for a brief time told he couldn't compete > in the main Olympics but he went to CAS and had > the decision overturned - he competed at London > 2012, making the semi-finals in the 400M as I > recall. Really??? I'm astounded.

Otta Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > But not everyone can follow their dream. And if > the only way you can be a world class cyclist is > to take drugs that could give you unfair > advantage, then sorry but maybe you need a new > dream. > > I don't really care either way to be honest, I > just find it quite funny how quick a lot of people > are to make excuses for a hero. Worse still if you don't really have the condition in the first place, or you have a minor version of it, and take a sledgehammer drug which you know is performance enhancing. To me, if that is the case that's cheating, even if you get a doctor to prescribe it and your team negotiates a TUE.

Interesting point.... Oscar P once asked to run in the "normal" Olympics and was refused There is no automatic right in top class athletics to bring everyone up to the same level.

Froome's input is necessary as he seeks to differentiate his asthma treatment from Wiggins' He states that he had clear and visible symptoms for which he received the appropriate post asthma treatment He clearly points the finger at Wiggins' symptons/choice of treatment/performance benefits Chris Hoy has also said that Wiggins needs to answer questions It seems others in British cycling are keen not to be tarnished with the same brush.

rendelharris Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > You do have to remember that Wiggins and Froome > absolutely hate each other... And that could be related to the title of this thread..

Froome questions Wiggins... Froome added his use of the corticosteroid prednisolone in tablet form in 2014 ? which, like Wiggins?s TUEs, was leaked by the Fancy Bears hackers ? should be seen in a different light to Wiggins?s triamcinolone injections. ?In 2014, I had an asthma exacerbation following the prologue at the Tour de Romandie. I had serious trouble breathing, which was visible to everyone, including journalists who tried to interview me after the stage. ?The team applied for an emergency TUE for a short course of prednisolone. This is the standard treatment for post-infection inflammation in asthmatics that cannot be controlled by standard inhalers. I don?t believe that there are any alternative treatments, ? and performance enhancement is negligible. ?With regards to Wiggins?s TUEs, questions remain over his symptoms, the choice of treatment and the related performance benefits from that treatment.? https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/oct/18/chris-froome-questions-remain-bradley-wiggins-tues-use-cycling

?I have got parents at my school ? both black and white ? who struggle to pay the fees,? says Jane Stevens, principal at Oakfield Preparatory school in south-east London. ?I have a black single parent who I am aware has held down two jobs to pay for their child?s education. That?s not the sort of story that most people would attach to the independent sector.? That's a big parental sacrifice.

BrandNewGuy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Mick Mac Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > > I believe that higher earners to some extent do > so > > as a result of greater intelligence. Very > > generalist I know, but if you are smarter than > > your colleagues you are likely to progress and > > earn more. > > I agree with most of your tin-hat post, but > there's plenty of evidence to suggest that being > smarter than your colleagues is not necessarily > very good for your career: > https://aeon.co/essays/you-don-t-have-to-be-stupid > -to-work-here-but-it-helps > > "Smart young things joining the workforce soon > discover that, although they have been selected > for their intelligence, they are not expected to > use it. They will be assigned routine tasks that > they will consider stupid. If they happen to make > the mistake of actually using their intelligence, > they will be met with pained groans from > colleagues and polite warnings from their bosses. > After a few years of experience, they will find > that the people who get ahead are the stellar > practitioners of corporate mindlessness." Indeed - certainly with the last line - a combination of intelligence and ability to get ahead without upsetting colleagues might be best. I was really thinking of situations when the intelligence gap is not so enormous - but is gradually noticed over time. For example doctors - all of proven intelligence but over time some more than others - will progress to be senior / consultants (if progress is sought)

LondonMix Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > State school pupils make up about 60% of Oxbridge > pupils now from memory. This is still an sizeable > under representation of course. OK TIN HAT TIME. I wouldn't argue in favout of a proportionate representation of public/state school pupils at the best universities. I believe that higher earners to some extent do so as a result of greater intelligence. Very generalist I know, but if you are smarter than your colleagues you are likely to progress and earn more. Genetically, more intelligent parents should pass genes to their children - more intelligent parents have more intelligent children than the national average Its wealthier parents who send their children to private school Hence private school will have a more capable intake and paying better salaries and smaller class sizes have children best prepared for university. Therefore its appropriate and not unexpected that their should be a weighting of private school children at the best universities Having said that - no university should take children from private schools on anything other than proven ability as compared to state pupils - the entrance criteria must be a level playing field - by whatever means is available at hat time, be it A levels or entrance exam or interview to assess so far unproven potential. The fact that what's gone before may not be a level playing field is irrelevant and to be resolved by long term government policy, but not by reverse discrimination.

rendelharris Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > LondonMix did: > > And I believe it was to that rahrahrah was > replying. LM made the point but didn't infer that that the state system entrenches privilege "to the degree" that public schools do Some entrenchment of privilege but not to the same degree. Surely.

???? Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I agree, let's ask Shami Chakabrati or Diane Abbot > or several other members of 'you know who's' cabal Obviously off piste - but I used to think the best defence of this by a Labour politician would be to argue that with the Tories in power and not doing enough to improve state education, leaving them no option but to utilise private education until the state system righted itself or the benefits of private education were marginalised. :) To be honest I don't know how on an MPs salary alone, anyone could afford it.

???? Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > rahrahrah Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- To suggest that > the > > state system entrenches privilege to the degree > > public schools do, is wide of the mark imo. > > > I agree, Everyone would agree - but no one actually "suggested" it in the first place.