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How do you think some Remain voters were hoodwinked, bearing in mind they were voting for the status quo?...

This plan to ''save the Union'' has to be up there with giant wave machines to deter migrant crossings in the Channel...

I is in...

Seabag Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > P.S. I don?t often edit posts, but this adds to > the tone deafness from Westminister. Keep it up, > it?s all adding to the groundswell against the > Union. > https://apple.news/A45QKEe02QGaexuHAueM9Zg Yep, the problem this Vote Leave Gov has is that it only knows how to fight on a 'culture war' basis, and this will backfire on them north of the border...

I've found that poll I referred to earlier, it's quite the eye opener...https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/06/18/most-conservative-members-would-see-party-destroye Not only were Tory members strongly in favour of breaking up the Union, they were just as strongly in favour of there being ''significant'' damage to the UK economy and even the ''destruction'' of the Tory party itself, if it meant delivering Brexit. I think it's fair to say that for them at least, Brexit was definitely an emotional vote, and I suspect for a lot of non-Tory members likewise. I've long thought that how Cat came about his decision to vote Leave was an outlier, and instead most people voted on a more simplistic, emotional basis, on the Remain side too. Any emotional vote very much plays into the 'Braveheart' narrative...

After the Biden win I saw this graphic showing all the previous Vice-Presidents, the point being that Kamala Harris was going to be the first female VP as well as BAME... Apart from those two obvious differences, what also stands out is the use of the Stars and Stripes in the background, which has only been 'a thing' since Spiro Agnew ('69-'73). A more recent addition is the lapel badge, started by Dick Cheney ('01-'09). Now even our health secretaries go around wearing an NHS badge to 'prove' their commitment. Modern day political virtue signaling in a visual communicative world...

Spartacus Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I guess if you want to question logic , it's just > as baffling why so many who wanted to remain part > of a bigger whole, are supporting the idea of the > UK splitting up. I don't want to see the break-up of the UK, I just see it as a natural knock-on effect of the hard Brexit we ended up with. Had it been a Brexit that reflected the closeness of the vote, that respected that Scotland and NI each had strong support to remain, i.e. a softer Norway-style deal where we remained in the Single Market, then I don't think we would be having this discussion. In the run-up to the 2014 Indy Ref a big deal was made by the No campaign that Scotland was stronger in the Union because we were in the EU, but that's been taken away, so I fully understand why a majority would now want to break away... ETA: NI is a different situation, I've always believed that eventually it would become united with Ireland, but Brexit has speeded up that process...

Week 20 fixtures... Saturday 6th February Aston Villa v Arsenal Burnley v Brighton & Hove Albion Newcastle United v Southampton Fulham v West Ham United Manchester United v Everton Sunday 7th February Tottenham Hotspur v West Bromwich Albion Wolverhampton Wanderers v Leicester City Liverpool v Manchester City Sheffield United v Chelsea Monday 8th February Leeds United v Crystal Palace

Week 19 points... Week 19 table...

Hiya Hammy, great to hear from you again! Have you used one of your multiple accounts to report someone whose viewpoint you didn't agree with, lately?. Special mention in dispatches to Mahoody, Dyson Repairs and Winder...Lest We Forget. Kisses, HCD

Hamletter Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Hang on in there & don't the usual forum (Liberal) > bully boys. Hiya Trinny!...oops, I mean Hammy!! How's it going, have you posted any more fake recommendations for your other accounts lately? Send our love to tomdhu and Dulwich Dyson, and our sympathies go out to all those previous accounts you had to close. Keep smiling! Lots of love, The EDF Liberals (Hardline Centrist Division)...

keano77 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- Unfortunately, when crises like this pandemic arise what is required is proactive dynamism Matt Hancock watching Contagion and then shitting his pants which the structure of the EU doesn?t seem to allow. The EU will learn from this.

Put it this way Cat, the 'EDF Remainers' won't be coming to your next barbie...;-)

Austria, Italy, Poland, and Sweden can be added to that list. I don't think there would be an outcry here if there was scientific reasoning not to give it to the over-65's, have any of these countries said why they won't?...

A lot of the spam I get these days is Bitcoin related, seems that interest in V.iagra has drooped...

Neighbours are concerned the Buzzards have taken the Neighbourhood Watch scheme too far as the Domino's courier discovers... Do you have anything else to declare apart from a Two 4 Tuesday meal deal with extra Banofee Pie? Darling, remember it's my turn to wear the rubber glove! squealed an excited Mrs Buzzard...

This recent Sunday Times poll throws a little light on the ''Would Scotland be better or worse off''...

Despite the various Gov impact assessments showing an economic downside of No Deal and May's Deal (Johnson's deal hasn't had one but considered between the two), I don't recall many Leave voters being deterred by them... ''What price sovereignty?!'' It's another example that if used by this Vote Leave Gov, it will simply get thrown back in their faces... ''It's a price worth paying!'' #ProjectMcFear...

TheCat Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > While it appears to me (from afar) that there is > of course a more hardcore group of Scottish > independence supports who just want independence > at any cost. It's hard to see how a major issue of > any independence referendum would not be a painted > as a straight up choice between remaining in the > UK or re-joining the EU (at some future point).... The anecdotal evidence I have of Scottish voters backs this up, previous 'No to Indy' voters would now vote 'Yes' if it meant Scotland rejoining the EU. And the timing of the change in the polls would suggest this too, so the Yes camp probably needs to come up with a plan than would realistically enable that. During the 2014 IndyRef the EU was decidely lukewarm to the idea, but that was before Brexit, and as these thoughts from Kirsty Hughes, writer and commentator on Scottish, European & UK politics suggest, the EU will be much more open to the idea and there is a possible route to independence and joining the EU... As SNP set out 11 point plan to indyref, a few comments on route to independence in EU - drawing on in-depth research interviews across many EU member states. There is a clear path to re-joining EU if independence done in legal, constitutional way with agreement Edinburgh-London. There's more understanding of Scottish independence in EU now than in 2014 but also a wide range of views - EU govts do not look at the fragmentation of the UK as positive (UK has caused enough trouble via Brexit) but if Scotland was independent then EU wd be pragmatic. Whether section 30 order or other route to independence, EU member states & Brussels, will be looking for political agreement between Edinburgh & London, an agreed divorce, rUK recognition of iScotland. This is especially important for Spain but for others too. Any plan B needs in the end to bring UK govt to table to agree separation w iScotland. Without initial London agreement to a referendum or other route to indy, then political uncertainty and a rUK-Scotland stand-off likely to develop. EU govts would stand well back from this. In face of valid independence process, iScotland cd apply to EU through normal accession process. If in near(ish) future, & iScotland not diverged too far from meeting EU single mkt criteria & other regs, then process cd be as swift as 4-5 years. iScotland as a 5 million, northern European state, democracy, market economy (& having been in EU for 47 yrs) wd not look technically or politically challenging to EU - more straightforward than W Balkans accession processes tho yes issues include currency, deficit. There will be a transition out of UK, into EU. This wd be managed through a Scotland-EU association agreement. European Economic Area (EEA) is not a transition route but an alternative to EU;EEA membership requires agreement of EU 27 & EEA3 & wd not be available on day 1 of indy. Most recent EU accessions have seen candidates hold referendums on joining EU after they have completed talks w EU. For iScotland, this wd mean those who oppose EU or even EEA membership cd express their views in such a vote.

I thought trinny's thread was about the UK not being able to procure a vaccine early had we still been in the EU, which I know I didn't agree with as there's contingency to do so within EU rules, which Hungary followed. Meanwhile Germany seems to be filling it's boots...https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-buys-extra-coronavirus-vaccine-doses-from-eu-countries/ Anyways, I think this is a pretty good quick appraisee of things from David Henig, a trade expert... The usual reminder to annoy partisans that more than one thing can be true at a time. AstraZeneca can have failed to deliver, the Commission handle it badly and panic, the EU still not be on the verge of collapse, the UK successful on vaccines, and still not guaranteed success.

TheCat Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It's 'funny' isn't it? If the roles were reversed > and the EU had 10 percent vaccinated and the UK > had just 2-3 percent, and then Boris and co had > decided to act as the EU has in bullying Big > Pharma - the EDF europhiles would be lining up > around the block to take pot shots at the > 'murderous' UK Govt which is desperately trying to > cover up for its incompetence. They would wail > about how Boris has "blood on his hands' and they > would cheer the idea of the govt being sued for > negligence. > > But...I'm just speculating of > course..instead...near silence on the EU failings > from that same group of posters...And when it's > been raised previously it gets dismissed as 'kind > of sick' and not 'serious' to focus on such an > aspect of breaking with the EU.... As flattering as it is to hear how you're missing the 'EDF Europhiles' comments, I'm sorry to disappoint but some of 'us' have a life outside the EDF. I can't speak for anyone else but I see you've quoted Septh, he's big enough to fight his own battles but if you take a quick look at his posting history he hasn't posted for nearly a week, so I expect he's taking a break. As for myself, the first I heard about the EU invoking A16 was last night when it was mentioned during the Last Leg, then when I checked the news this morning it had all blown over. It doesn't cover up that the EU screwed up by doing that, especially with not consulting Dublin beforehand, but they saw the error of their ways and quickly withdrew, something I would've had little confidence in this Gov doing, witness the Internal Markets Bill. A couple of weeks ago Johnson himself said he would invoke A16 if he needed to, so there's not much of a moral high ground to stand on in that respect... https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/brexit/watch-we-will-have-no-hesitation-in-triggering-article-16-if-necessary-says-boris-johnson-39964412.html As for 'vaccine nationalism', I've already made my opinion known and I echo what Spartacus has said in that there's little to be gained by one country having a speedy and successful vaccination programme if other countries don't and it gives the virus a chance to mutate and make current vaccination efficacy obsolete. One of the reasons why the EU wanted to go down the collective vaccination route was so that the smaller EU countries had just as much access to vaccines as the big hitters, and that's to be applauded. A pandemic is global and needs global solutions...

Click on 'share' tab below YouTube video, then click on embed tab, copy address, then paste it into EDF text box...

Week 19 fixtures... Saturday 30th January Everton v Newcastle United Crystal Palace v Wolverhampton Wanderers Manchester City v Sheffield United West Bromwich Albion v Fulham Arsenal v Manchester United Southampton v Aston Villa Sunday 31st January Chelsea v Burnley Leicester City v Leeds United West Ham United v Liverpool Brighton & Hove Albion v Tottenham Hotspur Tuesday 2nd February Sheffield United v West Bromwich Albion Wolverhampton Wanderers v Arsenal Manchester United v Southampton Newcastle United v Crystal Palace Wednesday 3rd February Burnley v Manchester City Fulham v Leicester City Leeds United v Everton Aston Villa v West Ham United Liverpool v Brighton & Hove Albion Thursday 4th February Tottenham Hotspur v Chelsea