diable rouge

malumbu, wouldn't it be quicker if you just wrote out our views yourself?...

diable rouge Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Trinnydad Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > The style is very similar and BB has been > accused of > > multiple IDs before. > > > It's been a while since BB was accused of multiple > IDs, I'm guessing before your time as Trinnydad. > If that's the case, care to tell us what you're > previous ID('s) were?... Mystery solved...

There is at least one Tory politician having a 'good' pandemic, Neil O'Brien, who has challenged the Mail and Telegraph for platforming anti-lockdowners, Covid deniers, anti-vaxxers et al, like the hideous Toby Young...

Give me quality over quantity any day. The incompetent fucker should've resigned over the abject failure to protect the most vulnerable in care homes...

I don't get Johnson, the Gov had a chance to get ahead of the virus for once with respect to it's spread outside of London, and yet he dithers again. It's like he has to see something bad happen before he believes something bad will happen. The same mistakes over and over again. It's pathological...

I get the impression that seabag knows more about fish on a plate than in a net... :)

It's a shame but very predictable that vaccine procurement and roll-out has become another part of the on-going culture war by certain elements. Producing the vaccines has been an international effort within the scientific community, Pfizer being an example where you have a US parent company working with a German start-up company formed by 2nd generation Turkish, manufactured in Belgium, and there will be many nationalities working within each. I'm sure it's likewise with the Oxford/AstraZeneca set-up. Instead of trying to score cheap political points try and be thankful that such effective vaccines have been found so comparatively quickly, regardless of who, where, or how they came about. That's what we should be feeling fortunate about...

malumbu, ask your green buddies what they think of the Guardian story I linked above...

TheCat Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It's only been 2 days....So it's far too early to > make any new assessment. But if you really had to > be forced to on 2 days of evidence....There's been > no chaos at the ports, the VAT has been removed > from sanitary products, electric pulse fishing in > British waters has been banned (at least 6 months > ahead of the EU)......yes, these are small things > in the grand context, and other impacts are yet to > be felt...but they are clear (dare I say it) > TANGIBLE benefits.... I think the 'chaos' predictions were more to do with No Deal. Eurotunnel, Port of Dover and Road Haulage Association have gone on record saying ports would be empty on Brexit day and at least the week beyond due to Brexit stockpiling. Mid-Jan is when they foresee "invisible chaos" which I presume means all the additional red tape. Either way, the locals are revolting... https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/01/residents-furious-brexit-lorry-park-kent-village Re. 'Tampon Tax': putting aside that EU member Ireland doesn't levy tax on tampons, it could've been scrapped whilst we were still in the EU when it was proposed as a Labour amendment in the 2015 Finance Bill, but was voted down by such luminaries as Bernard Jenkin and Steve Baker. It was still an issue right up to the referendum when Cameron was trying to renegotiate our deal... Re. Pulse fishing: By 6 months I assume you're referring to the EU final implementation date for the ban. France and Belgium have already implemented the ban, nothing stopped the UK doing likewise. I think what we've seen with both these 'benefits' is the UK deliberately sitting on them so they could be seen as a benefit of Brexit, tangible or otherwise...

That was indeed a great game and exciting team, people say the modern game is a lot quicker, not so sure after seeing that again, Doc's Red Army out in full force, happy days!...

Larry's still living in a parallel world where GE 2019 never happened I see...

TheCat Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I know 'red tape' will never allow it to > happen...but I wonder if many of our closed pubs > across the nation could be used as venues for > vaccine rollout?

PredictAddict hasn't yet updated Week 13 scores and isn't showing up to date fixture dates/times for Week 14, but here's Week 14 fixtures anyway... Friday 1st January Everton v West Ham United Manchester United v Aston Villa Saturday 2nd January Tottenham Hotspur v Leeds United Crystal Palace v Sheffield United Brighton & Hove Albion v Wolverhampton Wanderers West Bromwich Albion v Arsenal Sunday 3rd January Burnley v Fulham Newcastle United v Leicester City Chelsea v Manchester City Monday 4th January Southampton v Liverpool

Clutterqueen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > What position? The country voted overwhelming to > leave the EU back in 2016 and that's what he and > his government have finally done. It wasn't just about 'leaving the EU', it was just as much about how we left, and the type of Brexit that was sold at the referendum and what we've ended up with are mile's apart. He's failed in that respect. What's the point of a Prime Minister 'just doing his best' when his best is a crock of cack. Sorry to break the unofficial EDF truce, but when people spout bollox like that... *Picks up beer...*

*diable rouge enters room* Hold my beer...

Seabag Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > This must be Bob Buzzard?s new account Innit. Sign of the times what with the EU builder's having gone home before Jan 1st, Bob needs to plough new furrows, there could actually be plenty of mileage in that as we all go back to the land and pick fruit... Oooh, that's a nice couple of plums you've got there Sid! #CarryOnScrumping

???? Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Genuine question, what are the circumstances that > give us a GE next year? 80 seat majority, trade > deal done, Covid probably looking rosier next. I > just don?t see where you get a vote of no > confidence in 2021 or in fact anytime before the > next scheduled election. It?s almost inconceivable > without some black swan event? Ok, some post-Christmas musings as to why there could be a change of leader (I think that's more likely than a GE next year). The Tory party is ruthless when it comes to self-preservation, who would ever of thought Thatcher getting kicked out the way she was. A good swathe of Tory MPs are very twitchy over Johnson's handling of Covid, Labour's poll ratings have improved under Starmer especially in the much vaunted Red Wall seats, this new intake of Tory MPs don't have any historical allegiances to Johnson. It's never a good sign when a Prime Minister has to meet with the 1922 Committee to reassure them that everything's tickety boo. Gove and Sunak are clearly positioning themselves as a future leader. There's a good argument that Johnson was allowed to continue unchallenged despite his calamitous handling of Covid until the Brexit deal was 'done', one way or the other. We've now passed that point, he's not needed anymore in that respect. And of course there's Covid, great news about the vaccines, but before they take effect there will be a post-new year third wave, probably worse than anything we've seen so far. Jan/Feb always sees the NHS stretched to the limit with seasonal flus, Covid could easily push it beyond capacity. Any third wave will be tied to Johnson more than previous waves. His tier system has failed to contain the spread of the virus, he went against scientific advice and carried on with it. He sat on info about the mutant strain including when he stood up in Parliament just before Christmas mocking Starmer saying he wanted to cancel Christmas, then two days later he cancelled Christmas and London train stations looked like the last days of Saigon. There's a lot of anger about that. I don't think we've seen the full economic impact of Covid yet, particularly with respect to unemployment, there will be a bounce back when the vaccines taka effect but probably not until 2022. Younger working generations are used to being in work and have not experienced the high levels of unemployment seen in the 70's an 80's. It's an unknown factor how they will react. Allied to when the vaccines take effect, disgruntled people will feel safer to go onto the streets, the whole political atmosphere could quickly change with mass protests. He's just not very good in a crisis. Yes he's been unlucky that Covid happened, but he was inept during the floods, he's a Poundshop Churchill in that respect. Lastly, he might want to step down himself, he's clearly not the same politician pre-Covid...

This deal is the withdrawal agreement playbook all over again, lots of threats of no deal ''we'll prosper mightily'' etc, followed by the inevitable last minute concessions to get it over the line. Then issue it with a ''what a great deal it is'' fanfare courtesy of the Tory friendly press. Allow no time to scrutinize it in Parliament in the hope no one notices the full implications etc. And so the Tory psychodrama with Europe rolls on. See you in 5 years time Monsieur Barnier...

JohnL Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Either way unless everybody stays in step it'll > mutate to something beyond the current vaccines - > and that means the rest of the world as well. It could equally mutate to a weaker version and naturally die out as I believe Spanish Flu did...

diable rouge Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Sephiroth Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > "I think it was TD just having s dig..." > > > > ah - silly me > > I never spotted that this was you, perhaps because > you weren't having run-ins with ????...;-) Spoke too soon!.. :) :) :)

If someone like Burnham had been Labour leader I think it highly likely that there would've been some kind of pact with the Libs and SNP. People quickly forget that the Tory 80-seat majority came courtesy of the Brexit party standing down i.e. a Leave pact. As for the future, rather than thinking about an immediate 'rejoin' movement, there needs to be a change in the electoral system towards something like PR. It's in Labour's self-interest to go down this path, and Starmer should form a pact with the Libs and SNP to this effect, especially if it looks likely that NI and/or Scotland leaves the UK, because if that happened, Labour's chances of winning another GE under FPTP is zilcho..

Getting rusty in his old age, missed the 1000th post...

Trinnydad Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > One opportunity to consider is making a deal with > Hyundai, Kia and Toyota to set up factories that > use 100% LOCAL CONTENT and so reduce the volume of > VWs BMWs and Mercedes that have no UK content. Why > give jobs to the Germans? Why indeed, or to the French. Perhaps we should ask Brexit-backing billionaire Jim Ratcliffe, you know, the one who recently announced he's moving his car production operation from Wales to the EU...https://www.businessinsider.com/brexit-billionaire-jim-ratcliffe-ineos-grenadier-france-not-wales-2020-12?r=US&IR=T #projectdreamon

Trinnydad Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > One such example was > allocating the printing of UK passports which had > to go out to EU wide tender. Ok, hands up who wants to tell him first...:)

Trinnydad Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Sephiroth Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > just making general points - nothing > specifically > > about the deal > > Let's hope Remainers consider becoming un-stuck > from the same old groove. It's like an old cracked > 78rpm. Stuck in the same negative conversation > since 2016 propagating "economic doom and gloom" > theories based on fear. So, let me get this right, it was ok for Eurosceptics to bang on about the EU for 40 years prior to 2016, but anti-Brexiters now have to keep schtum. How very Brexit...