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Sephiroth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > does anyone apart from TB actually think me and BB > are one and the same? I think it was TD just having s dig...

I can't believe Spartacus hasn't made a joke about Uranus Sue...

Trinnydad Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The style is very similar and BB has been accused of > multiple IDs before. It's been a while since BB was accused of multiple IDs, I'm guessing before your time as Trinnydad. If that's the case, care to tell us what you're previous ID('s) were?...

TheCat Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > diable rouge Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > The 1500+ lorry jam shows the folly of 'taking > > back control of our borders'. > > Borders are shared, and Brexiters waving their > > magic sovereignty wand doesn't make a blind bit > of > > difference... > > We haven't left yet. Actually, we have. We left the EU at the end of Jan this year, that was Brexit. The 11 month transition period we're in now is to allow for finalizing a trade deal and also to allow all parties/businesses etc to get ready for a deal...

Borderus Openus...

The 1500+ lorry jam shows the folly of 'taking back control of our borders'. Borders are shared, and Brexiters waving their magic sovereignty wand doesn't make a blind bit of difference...

Just like Brexit, if you ask Leave voters what sovereignty means to them, you won't get the same answer. And, as has been said numerous times, the minute you start negotiating trade deals, certain aspects of a country's sovereignty is on the negotiating table...

...until the inevitable tax rises come home to roost

Trinnydad Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I would guess he's a vegan, bearded, cyclist and > part time social worker whose posts are extremely > judgemental... And this year's award for Total Lack Of Self-Awareness, goes to...

Keep up Trinny, we've already had the discussion that the UK can implement the roll-out vaccine while still an EU member, EU rules allows for such a situation...

That's because they were told that they wouldn't lose any of the benefits of being in the EU. A lot of them genuinely believed that we would stop EU immigration but still be allowed to visit the EU freely. And when pointed out that wasn't the case it was dismissed as Project Fear. It was an issue the Remain campaign failed to address as well as the benefits of EU immigration, i.e. they made a positive net contribution to the system and were not a drain on the health service etc. Not surprising when you consider most EU immigrants were young, healthy, hard working, while we exported a lot of dufffers who would normally be clogging up the post office...

IlonaM Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > John Le Carre This personally was very sad news, my favourite author, and as many tributes have said, much more than just a 'spy novelist', he was a great storyteller and chronicler of post-war Britain, in particular Englishness and the decaying ruling class. ''The rats have taken over the ship'' Fascinating man who led a fascinating life. Rest In Peace JLC...

During lockdown I watched some episodes of A Place in the Sun, and I was struck by how many 'ordinary' people were looking to buy a holiday home or permanent residence and sample life abroad (Before someone accuses me of being a condescending metropolitan elite for using the term 'ordinary', I consider myself to be 'ordinary' in that I come from a typical 'working class' background, born in a council house, one grandad a postman, the other a milkman, and so on). Anyways, the point being these weren't necessarily people that were well to do. Their budgets were limited, perhaps a small inheritance, someone's life savings, or selling up and getting more for their money. It then also struck me that my own personal forays to Europe coincided around the time FoM was introduced, and the subsequent opening of Eurostar and low cost flights. Suddenly it became no different, time or cost wise, to travelling back 'oop north'. The possibility of living and buying abroad that previously 'wasn't for the likes of me', was now more of a reality. I think when BB refers to 'generations' she's not specifically talking about current numbers, but generations to come. For them opportunities have narrowed...

Sephiroth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > But that said - it is A loss of freedom. We don't > all want to go and live in Spain- , but it is nice > to know we could at any point. And that has gone. > Or at least the version without hassle has gone It's certainly been interesting watching the so-called libertarian right/free-speechers/free-thinkers etc, squirm and convolute their way around willingly removing this freedom from their fellow citizens, making it more difficult to travel, work, study, retire in the EU. It's true that logistically it will still be possible i.e. travel, but the real stumbling block will be financial, namely having to take out costly private health insurance to cover the loss of reciprocal access to health services, especially for those who want to work/live in the EU. Freedom of movement helped democratize travel and the opportunity to work/live etc. To borrow a phrase, it was for the many not the few...

Week 13 fixtures... Saturday 19th December Crystal Palace v Liverpool Southampton v Manchester City Everton v Arsenal Newcastle United v Fulham Sunday 20th December Brighton & Hove Albion v Sheffield United Tottenham Hotspur v Leicester City Manchester United v Leeds United West Bromwich Albion v Aston Villa Monday 21st December Burnley v Wolverhampton Wanderers Chelsea v West Ham United

LadyG, just think how many points you would have if you didn't back Arsenal to win every game ;-) Week 12 points... Week 12 table...

Some supermarkets have had restrictions for months on certain products due to pandemic stockpiling, but a No Deal would certainly make things worse as a lot of our food arrives via just-in-time supply chains, and the fresh stuff can't be stockpiled...

Seabag Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It looks like we?re going into extra (extra) > time. > > https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2020/dec > /13/brexit-uk-eu-trade-talks-enter-final-day-amid- > fears-of-no-deal-live-news?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other Quelle surprise! The bottom line is that the UK will have to strike a deal with the EU at some point, even if we initially No Deal, and as the last 4 years have shown, the longer the UK leaves it, the weaker it's position becomes and the worse the deal will be. Still, at least the weekend No Deal panic gave us some comedy gold from the Mail on how we can do our patriotic duty in the event of No Deal, I've already put my order in for a new Aston Martin, that second home I've always dreamed about in the Cotswolds, and a year's supply of Kobe beef...

Sephiroth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Why not? She was as bad as everyone else. She > knew the damage Brexit would do, was a remainer > and then went along with lies to save her own > skin I think May willingly drank the Koolaid because she could also see Brexit was an opportunity to carry on what she started as Home Sec, create another hostile environment for immigrants, this time from the EU. The vicar's daughter persona shouldn't fool anyone, she's a nasty piece of work when it comes to immigration...

Ok, fellow EDFers, time for a game of Deal or No Deal. Cat with his risk analyses can be the Banker. I fully understand if no one wants to be Noel Edmonds. Lots of talk of No Deal and gunboat diplomacy, but worth remembering that just over a year ago we were in an identical situation of a looming No Deal when trying to get the WA over the line, and then at the last minute Johnson caved in on a customs border down the middle of the Irish Sea. That was a BIG climb down but Johnson gambled that politically he could sell it as 'getting Brexit done', so politics matters to him. That's why I'm going to hedge that there will still be a very last minute deal, because politically a deal is better for Johnson than No Deal. He knows that Labour will be split over the vote for a deal, whereas they would vote unanimously against No Deal. Despite some Labour MPs voting against a deal or abstaining, there should still be enough to counter any ERG vote against the deal, so with these votes, which importantly will include Starmer's, Labour will in effect be seen to endorse the deal politically, which the Tories would no doubt use against them when things get messy. Whereas with a ND the buck would stop entirely with Johnson and the Tories. They would solely own any ensuing chaos/hardship. Politically this matters. All through the Brexit process the Tories have done what is in their own best interest, not the country's. A deal will still be really crap, but at least some of the crap will have landed on Labour...

Johnson visited Northumberland this morning and said No Deal ?would be wonderful for the UK?. Which kinda begs the question, if that's the case then why have we been wasting time, money, and resources these past 4 years trying to get a deal? It's another example of the sheer contempt he has for people especially his own supporters that he will stand there and be so brazenly duplicitous, knowing that they will still back him. Until his supporters start caring about being lied to, he'll continue to do it...

Michael Foot was the one who really got it in the neck for being a scruffy git, especially when he rocked up at the cenotaph in a so-called 'donkey jacket'. Johnson is just as scruffy and unstatesmanlike, right down to the unkempt white hair, but one's a Tory and one wasn't... http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/47407000/jpg/_47407009_38853957.jpg

malumbu Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Pay attention, I did Izal 8 months ago on another > thread > /forum/read.php? > 32,2106932,2107735#msg-2107735 8 months? Ha! Get to the back of the queue blow--in, some of us under various noms de plume were extolling Izal's delights over a decade ago... /forum/search.php?20,search=Izal,page=1,match_type=ALL,match_dates=0,match_forum=ALL

The first festive double bubble. Week 12 fixtures... Friday 11th December Leeds United v West Ham United Saturday 12th December Wolverhampton Wanderers v Aston Villa Newcastle United v West Bromwich Albion Manchester United v Manchester City Everton v Chelsea Sunday 13th December Southampton v Sheffield United Crystal Palace v Tottenham Hotspur Fulham v Liverpool Arsenal v Burnley Leicester City v Brighton & Hove Albion Tuesday 15th December Wolverhampton Wanderers v Chelsea Manchester City v West Bromwich Albion Wednesday 16th December Arsenal v Southampton Leeds United v Newcastle United Leicester City v Everton Fulham v Brighton & Hove Albion Liverpool v Tottenham Hotspur West Ham United v Crystal Palace Thursday 17th December Aston Villa v Burnley Sheffield United v Manchester United