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The previous UKIP leader was a certain Dick Braine...

Lolz, you're lack of self-awareness is endearing. Keep tuning into Brendan...

Keep moving, nothing to see here...

Seabag Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > But never did I think we?d be looking at such a > blatant far right propaganda driven group of > politicians in our lifetime, not here in our own > country. It?s shocking,disturbing, and also very > very real. Aided and abetted by an increasing rabid right-wing press and news outlets like the BBC who regularly report 'Downing St sources' without any critical thought, and can't see that they're constantly being played. There also needs to be a receptive public to these obvious lies, and that has been made possible under the umbrella of Brexit. Stop Brexit and you stop the lies, the charlatans, the creep towards fascism...

A reminder that there are midweek games, starting tonight...

People are wasting their time trying to reason with racist xenophobes, political jihadis who would be willing to sacrifice their first born on the altar of Brexit. Instead I'd like to hear the thoughts of any centre/left leaning Brexit voters on here who don't want 5 years of a Johnson Gov. To me there was never any chance of there ever being a so-called Lexit, it was always going to end up with a hard right government. Are you happy to accept that if it means Brexit? Does Brexit trump everything else?...

Great story, had it been the other side I expect he would've thrown the ball back into the crowd :)...

The problem with analogies is that they are rarely relevant to the situation in question. How is going to a pub for a meal anything like voting to see who governs us for the next five years? However, if the vegetarian had to stay in the pub for 5 years, I'm guessing it wouldn't be long before they started drooling over the bacon sarnies...

Careful if you're letting it all hang out in Maspalomas and someone offers you a Yule Log...

We have a Prime Minister who won't tell the public how many children he's fathered, yet has castigated single mothers. Marina Hyde's latest column pulls no punches... Boris Johnson?s big contribution to reducing plastic consumption is not wearing condoms. Or as Gavin Williamson put it this morning: ?Boris Johnson has done more for the environment than any other politician.? Quite. We don?t need a joined-up strategy to prevent climate catastrophe with the largest and most successful trading bloc the world has ever seen, because Johnson?s going to spaff our way to the higher ground, while we serve as galley slaves on his privatised sex ark. Maybe I?m being a shade unfair. So let me say that this election marks a change of behaviour for the prime minister, who has finally started withdrawing. Unfortunately, he?s pulling out of climate debates and BBC interviews, as opposed to single mothers. Still, baby steps. And he?s certainly missed a few of those.

Hammers should go for the dream team - Moyes and BFS...

I felt the same, never considered myself much of a unionist, but I did think we were 'better together'. Friends I have in Scotland, including English settled there, all now think the same. I suspect the Tories aren't that bothered, we've seen how they were prepared to throw NI and their DUP friends under the Brexit bus, and it won't have gone unnoticed to Tory strategists that without the Scottish vote how difficult it will be in the future to ever kick the Tories out of power...

Week 14 fixtures, double bubble... Saturday 30th November Newcastle United v Manchester City Burnley v Crystal Palace Chelsea v West Ham United Liverpool v Brighton & Hove Albion Tottenham Hotspur v AFC Bournemouth Southampton v Watford Sunday 1st December Norwich City v Arsenal Wolverhampton Wanderers v Sheffield United Leicester City v Everton Manchester United v Aston Villa Tuesday 3rd December Crystal Palace v AFC Bournemouth Burnley v Manchester City Wednesday 4th December Chelsea v Aston Villa Leicester City v Watford Manchester United v Tottenham Hotspur Southampton v Norwich City Wolverhampton Wanderers v West Ham United Liverpool v Everton Thursday 5th December Sheffield United v Newcastle United Arsenal v Brighton & Hove Albion

Week 13 points... Week 13 table...

Sturgeon is savvy enough to know that getting rid of Trident wouldn't pass a vote through parliament due to Labour rebels and Lib Dems etc. A different matter if they win independence though...

...and they were asked to vote no to independence in order to stay in the EU

Scotland will get a 2nd indy ref at some point in the next couple of years regardless of who wins the GE. They are going to do well in the GE and then the Scottish Parliament will vote for a 2nd indy ref, which even Johnson if he wins won't be able to ignore. I'd argue that there's more chance of the Union splitting under Johnson and Brexit than Corbyn and a 2nd ref...

Captain Marvel Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > And surely even you > agree that 'free' broadband is ruinous claptrap. This all smacks of Corbyn trying to leave a legacy before he joins you down the allotment. Any nationalised concern should at least pay for itself in the long run, and this clearly wouldn't unless there's a way of generating income like the free newspapers do with advertising. I think it would've still been a popular proposal if they had said charges would be greatly reduced, say 50% less, and it would be free for those less able to pay, pensioners, low income families etc. Maybe that would have to happen, it wouldn't be the first time a manifesto policy was watered down once reality kicks in...

rahrahrah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I can't believe Johnson is going to walk back into > government, rip a hole in our constitution and > destroy existing trade arrangements whilst > claiming that Labour are radical extremists. There > is nothing more extreme than Brexit. Indeed, worth remembering that f we Brexit, whoever wins will have their political aspirations severely undermined and limited by Brexit, it will continue to take up time and money, sucking the life out of everything around it...

Captain Marvel Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > 'let's learn why they have been successful and can > it be reciprocated in the UK.' > > Surely this is no time for experimentation. I > cannot think of a single UK exportable > nationalised industry that has ever existed or of > those proposed ever could. The idea that > 'Britband' could start taking market share from > anything in Europe is laughable. > > And as for the utilities... FFS, you've done it again, I never said that, I was saying the complete opposite of importing successful ideas, as J&B rightly picked up on...

This is a bit of a shocker, Gary Rhodes, only 59, loved eating at his People's Palace restaurant back in the day...

Captain Marvel Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > You're dodging around a bit here. NHS, police, > schools aren't what is meant by 'nationalised > industries' and as services, however much you > plough into them they will blame failure on > underfunding and ask for more. I didn't say the NHS etc were nationalised industries, I was merely giving examples of what happens when you underinvest, same applies to private companies. I'm not pro-nationalisation for the sake of it, but I don't think it should be dismissed either, and it's lazy to keep harping back to ''look what happened in the '70's''. As BB points out it's a completely different market place now which includes successful nationalised companies, let's learn why they have been successful and can it be reciprocated in the UK. To me the Labour manifesto is Corbyn's last hurrah before he leaves the political stage, either by resigning should Johnson get a majority, or a coalition Gov falling once a 2nd Ref has taken place. So the whole nationalisation argument is a bit of a moot point...

Captain Marvel Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > So that's the reason they have all been expensive > disasters is it? I didn't say that at all. What we do know is that if you underfund the NHS you get a crappy NHS, underfund the police force and you get a crappy police force, and so on. > If politicians had any business acumen they'd be > in business Doesn't follow that they would be successful in business though, likewise when someone successful in business turns their hand to politics...

Captain Marvel Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > You tell me A majority of Tory Govs over the years with a propensity to be hostile to nationalised companies can't have helped...

The end of today is the deadline for registering to vote, with this link you can register, check whether you're already registered and at what address (if you've moved home you may still be registered at your old address, hence your polling card will be sent there instead of your new address), if you're going to be abroad on GE day you can arrange a proxy vote, and if you're a student you're allowed to register at both your home and term-time addresses (but only vote once - one for the tactical voters to think about)... https://www.gov.uk/register-to-vote