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Captain Marvel Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > And surely even you > agree that 'free' broadband is ruinous claptrap. This all smacks of Corbyn trying to leave a legacy before he joins you down the allotment. Any nationalised concern should at least pay for itself in the long run, and this clearly wouldn't unless there's a way of generating income like the free newspapers do with advertising. I think it would've still been a popular proposal if they had said charges would be greatly reduced, say 50% less, and it would be free for those less able to pay, pensioners, low income families etc. Maybe that would have to happen, it wouldn't be the first time a manifesto policy was watered down once reality kicks in...

rahrahrah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I can't believe Johnson is going to walk back into > government, rip a hole in our constitution and > destroy existing trade arrangements whilst > claiming that Labour are radical extremists. There > is nothing more extreme than Brexit. Indeed, worth remembering that f we Brexit, whoever wins will have their political aspirations severely undermined and limited by Brexit, it will continue to take up time and money, sucking the life out of everything around it...

Captain Marvel Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > 'let's learn why they have been successful and can > it be reciprocated in the UK.' > > Surely this is no time for experimentation. I > cannot think of a single UK exportable > nationalised industry that has ever existed or of > those proposed ever could. The idea that > 'Britband' could start taking market share from > anything in Europe is laughable. > > And as for the utilities... FFS, you've done it again, I never said that, I was saying the complete opposite of importing successful ideas, as J&B rightly picked up on...

This is a bit of a shocker, Gary Rhodes, only 59, loved eating at his People's Palace restaurant back in the day...

Captain Marvel Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > You're dodging around a bit here. NHS, police, > schools aren't what is meant by 'nationalised > industries' and as services, however much you > plough into them they will blame failure on > underfunding and ask for more. I didn't say the NHS etc were nationalised industries, I was merely giving examples of what happens when you underinvest, same applies to private companies. I'm not pro-nationalisation for the sake of it, but I don't think it should be dismissed either, and it's lazy to keep harping back to ''look what happened in the '70's''. As BB points out it's a completely different market place now which includes successful nationalised companies, let's learn why they have been successful and can it be reciprocated in the UK. To me the Labour manifesto is Corbyn's last hurrah before he leaves the political stage, either by resigning should Johnson get a majority, or a coalition Gov falling once a 2nd Ref has taken place. So the whole nationalisation argument is a bit of a moot point...

Captain Marvel Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > So that's the reason they have all been expensive > disasters is it? I didn't say that at all. What we do know is that if you underfund the NHS you get a crappy NHS, underfund the police force and you get a crappy police force, and so on. > If politicians had any business acumen they'd be > in business Doesn't follow that they would be successful in business though, likewise when someone successful in business turns their hand to politics...

Captain Marvel Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > You tell me A majority of Tory Govs over the years with a propensity to be hostile to nationalised companies can't have helped...

The end of today is the deadline for registering to vote, with this link you can register, check whether you're already registered and at what address (if you've moved home you may still be registered at your old address, hence your polling card will be sent there instead of your new address), if you're going to be abroad on GE day you can arrange a proxy vote, and if you're a student you're allowed to register at both your home and term-time addresses (but only vote once - one for the tactical voters to think about)... https://www.gov.uk/register-to-vote

Two videos worth watching for two very different reasons...

PA implied the photo had been doctored by saying that he had never been upstairs at the house...

Jules-and-Boo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > We give contracts to other countries eg > trains/France because we are in the EU and EU > countries are allowed to bid There's nothing about being in the EU that says we have to give them the contracts, instead they are winning them fairly and squarely in open, competitive tenders against UK privately owned companies. So in fact it confirms that state ownership can be more competitive than private ownership. Also, non-EU countries win these sort of contracts, Hinkley Point power station is being funded and built by the French EDF and Chinese CGN, who also happen to be both state-owned. So not being in the EU wouldn't mean that EU companies wouldn't suddenly be able to bid for future contracts. We will have to negotiate new trade deals with them and part of those deals will be to allow them to bid along with lots of other concessions such immigration quotas. Same applies to any new trade deals outside the EU, the big US pharmas are already licking their lips and waiting to pounce on the NHS...

*Blocks...*

Project Fear, we survived the Blitz, etc etc etc...

Seabag Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > diable rouge Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > I'm having Christmas in the EU... :) > > That?s nice, but what you eating is the question, > not where you eating Brussels Sprouts...Obvs!

Mahoody Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Corbyn has been on a promising a totally > unrealistic spending spree that can only be done > through increasing debt with the inevitable > consequences. As the debt gets bigger, the > interest rate goes up. It's like maxing out on > multiple credit cards. It all catches up in the > end. The Tories are warning voters that Jeremy Corbyn would wreck the economy. I?m sure they?re right. I?ve got just one question. Why should the rest of the country believe them? After all, many Tories have spent the past three years telling the public to ignore all predictions about the economy, because predictions about the economy are always wrong. Lurid depictions of economic armageddon are merely Project Fear. Our great British businesses will thrive no matter what, and to suggest otherwise is to talk Britain down. If we can survive the Blitz, we can survive anything. And anyway, some things are more important than money.

I'm having Christmas in the EU... :)

I've had this ear worm for the past couple of days, sorry but I'm taking you all down with me...

Week 13 fixtures... Saturday 23rd November West Ham United v Tottenham Hotspur Arsenal v Southampton AFC Bournemouth v Wolverhampton Wanderers Brighton & Hove Albion v Leicester City Crystal Palace v Liverpool Everton v Norwich City Watford v Burnley Manchester City v Chelsea Sunday 24th November Sheffield United v Manchester United Monday 25th November Aston Villa v Newcastle United

I'm not starting a new thread just for this so will stick it in here, besides they contribute to the glut of festive ads. What we always knew Lou, M&S > Iceland...:) https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/nov/21/supermarket-luxury-mince-pies-ranked

Never really got this living in London ting when it comes to football managers and players, Mourinho's one of the exceptions in that he actually lives in central London, but most other managers and players live miles out in the sticks, the training grounds are miles away too. Once a fortnight they get bussed in to play at home and then they fook off back to their mock tudor mansions and cosy restaurants in Esher. The same applies to Manchester, so not having a dig at London...

Levy's thinking ahead and avoiding compo by only offering Mourinho a 3-year contract, 2 years of improvement before he presses the self-destruct button in the third year. It would also be very Spursy if the manager who always wins a trophy wherever he goes wins booger all... :)

So what do you base your vote on?...

Poch sacked, didn't see that one coming...

Too early to be falling out over polls, this time at the last election the Tories had an 18pt lead. The first of the TV debates is on tonight followed soon by the launch of the manifestos, so this weekend's polls will give a much better indication of where we're at, and more importantly in what direction...

Spartacus Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I just believe whole hearty that the policies of > the labour party at this point in time, will > bankrupt the country, Do you think the Tories won't bankrupt the country then? > drive entrepreneurs and > higher rate tax payers to safe heavens A lot high rollers have already scarpered, it's what they do regardless who's in power. One of the UK's richest men, Jim Radcliffe, big Brexit backer, fooked off to Monaco not long after the referendum. > and destroy > jobs in the private sector as a result of > nationalisation and companies that move away as > the tax breaks abroad will be better for them When public companies were nationalised we were told no jobs would be lost as workers would simply move sideways from public ownership to private. Why should it be any different in reverse? Again, companies are already going abroad if it suits them, e.g. Dyson, another big Brexit backer, fooking off to Singapore. There's a theme developing...