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Hammers should go for the dream team - Moyes and BFS...

I felt the same, never considered myself much of a unionist, but I did think we were 'better together'. Friends I have in Scotland, including English settled there, all now think the same. I suspect the Tories aren't that bothered, we've seen how they were prepared to throw NI and their DUP friends under the Brexit bus, and it won't have gone unnoticed to Tory strategists that without the Scottish vote how difficult it will be in the future to ever kick the Tories out of power...

Week 14 fixtures, double bubble... Saturday 30th November Newcastle United v Manchester City Burnley v Crystal Palace Chelsea v West Ham United Liverpool v Brighton & Hove Albion Tottenham Hotspur v AFC Bournemouth Southampton v Watford Sunday 1st December Norwich City v Arsenal Wolverhampton Wanderers v Sheffield United Leicester City v Everton Manchester United v Aston Villa Tuesday 3rd December Crystal Palace v AFC Bournemouth Burnley v Manchester City Wednesday 4th December Chelsea v Aston Villa Leicester City v Watford Manchester United v Tottenham Hotspur Southampton v Norwich City Wolverhampton Wanderers v West Ham United Liverpool v Everton Thursday 5th December Sheffield United v Newcastle United Arsenal v Brighton & Hove Albion

Week 13 points... Week 13 table...

Sturgeon is savvy enough to know that getting rid of Trident wouldn't pass a vote through parliament due to Labour rebels and Lib Dems etc. A different matter if they win independence though...

...and they were asked to vote no to independence in order to stay in the EU

Scotland will get a 2nd indy ref at some point in the next couple of years regardless of who wins the GE. They are going to do well in the GE and then the Scottish Parliament will vote for a 2nd indy ref, which even Johnson if he wins won't be able to ignore. I'd argue that there's more chance of the Union splitting under Johnson and Brexit than Corbyn and a 2nd ref...

Captain Marvel Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > And surely even you > agree that 'free' broadband is ruinous claptrap. This all smacks of Corbyn trying to leave a legacy before he joins you down the allotment. Any nationalised concern should at least pay for itself in the long run, and this clearly wouldn't unless there's a way of generating income like the free newspapers do with advertising. I think it would've still been a popular proposal if they had said charges would be greatly reduced, say 50% less, and it would be free for those less able to pay, pensioners, low income families etc. Maybe that would have to happen, it wouldn't be the first time a manifesto policy was watered down once reality kicks in...

rahrahrah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I can't believe Johnson is going to walk back into > government, rip a hole in our constitution and > destroy existing trade arrangements whilst > claiming that Labour are radical extremists. There > is nothing more extreme than Brexit. Indeed, worth remembering that f we Brexit, whoever wins will have their political aspirations severely undermined and limited by Brexit, it will continue to take up time and money, sucking the life out of everything around it...

Captain Marvel Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > 'let's learn why they have been successful and can > it be reciprocated in the UK.' > > Surely this is no time for experimentation. I > cannot think of a single UK exportable > nationalised industry that has ever existed or of > those proposed ever could. The idea that > 'Britband' could start taking market share from > anything in Europe is laughable. > > And as for the utilities... FFS, you've done it again, I never said that, I was saying the complete opposite of importing successful ideas, as J&B rightly picked up on...

This is a bit of a shocker, Gary Rhodes, only 59, loved eating at his People's Palace restaurant back in the day...

Captain Marvel Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > You're dodging around a bit here. NHS, police, > schools aren't what is meant by 'nationalised > industries' and as services, however much you > plough into them they will blame failure on > underfunding and ask for more. I didn't say the NHS etc were nationalised industries, I was merely giving examples of what happens when you underinvest, same applies to private companies. I'm not pro-nationalisation for the sake of it, but I don't think it should be dismissed either, and it's lazy to keep harping back to ''look what happened in the '70's''. As BB points out it's a completely different market place now which includes successful nationalised companies, let's learn why they have been successful and can it be reciprocated in the UK. To me the Labour manifesto is Corbyn's last hurrah before he leaves the political stage, either by resigning should Johnson get a majority, or a coalition Gov falling once a 2nd Ref has taken place. So the whole nationalisation argument is a bit of a moot point...

Captain Marvel Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > So that's the reason they have all been expensive > disasters is it? I didn't say that at all. What we do know is that if you underfund the NHS you get a crappy NHS, underfund the police force and you get a crappy police force, and so on. > If politicians had any business acumen they'd be > in business Doesn't follow that they would be successful in business though, likewise when someone successful in business turns their hand to politics...

Captain Marvel Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > You tell me A majority of Tory Govs over the years with a propensity to be hostile to nationalised companies can't have helped...

The end of today is the deadline for registering to vote, with this link you can register, check whether you're already registered and at what address (if you've moved home you may still be registered at your old address, hence your polling card will be sent there instead of your new address), if you're going to be abroad on GE day you can arrange a proxy vote, and if you're a student you're allowed to register at both your home and term-time addresses (but only vote once - one for the tactical voters to think about)... https://www.gov.uk/register-to-vote

Two videos worth watching for two very different reasons...

PA implied the photo had been doctored by saying that he had never been upstairs at the house...

Jules-and-Boo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > We give contracts to other countries eg > trains/France because we are in the EU and EU > countries are allowed to bid There's nothing about being in the EU that says we have to give them the contracts, instead they are winning them fairly and squarely in open, competitive tenders against UK privately owned companies. So in fact it confirms that state ownership can be more competitive than private ownership. Also, non-EU countries win these sort of contracts, Hinkley Point power station is being funded and built by the French EDF and Chinese CGN, who also happen to be both state-owned. So not being in the EU wouldn't mean that EU companies wouldn't suddenly be able to bid for future contracts. We will have to negotiate new trade deals with them and part of those deals will be to allow them to bid along with lots of other concessions such immigration quotas. Same applies to any new trade deals outside the EU, the big US pharmas are already licking their lips and waiting to pounce on the NHS...

*Blocks...*

Project Fear, we survived the Blitz, etc etc etc...

Seabag Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > diable rouge Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > I'm having Christmas in the EU... :) > > That?s nice, but what you eating is the question, > not where you eating Brussels Sprouts...Obvs!

Mahoody Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Corbyn has been on a promising a totally > unrealistic spending spree that can only be done > through increasing debt with the inevitable > consequences. As the debt gets bigger, the > interest rate goes up. It's like maxing out on > multiple credit cards. It all catches up in the > end. The Tories are warning voters that Jeremy Corbyn would wreck the economy. I?m sure they?re right. I?ve got just one question. Why should the rest of the country believe them? After all, many Tories have spent the past three years telling the public to ignore all predictions about the economy, because predictions about the economy are always wrong. Lurid depictions of economic armageddon are merely Project Fear. Our great British businesses will thrive no matter what, and to suggest otherwise is to talk Britain down. If we can survive the Blitz, we can survive anything. And anyway, some things are more important than money.

I'm having Christmas in the EU... :)

I've had this ear worm for the past couple of days, sorry but I'm taking you all down with me...

Week 13 fixtures... Saturday 23rd November West Ham United v Tottenham Hotspur Arsenal v Southampton AFC Bournemouth v Wolverhampton Wanderers Brighton & Hove Albion v Leicester City Crystal Palace v Liverpool Everton v Norwich City Watford v Burnley Manchester City v Chelsea Sunday 24th November Sheffield United v Manchester United Monday 25th November Aston Villa v Newcastle United