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Bob, I think you should use Mrs Bob's considerable charms on your neighbours and invite them round for an evening soir?e. Think Abigail's Party, Pampass Grass by the front door, car keys thrown in the Aalvo Aalto glass bowl on your mid-century sideboard, then loosen things up with a rum punch, followed by a hot sticky fondue with suggestively shaped crudit?s. They'll soon be eating out of your hands...quite literally!

That could be a deliberate Cummings leak on the eve of tonight's early election vote, trick Corbyn into thinking that an early election plays into his hands. Or I could be getting really cynical...:)

Try this legal debunk for size...https://twitter.com/GeorgePeretzQC/status/1170619107387068416

That's already been debunked, will look for a source...

Bugger!...

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Cummings detests Farage, his strategy of 'do or die' Brexit by the 31st Oct was also to neuter Farage and the Brexit Party once and for all, make him totally irrelevant politically. That's now failed with the extension Bill, so they have to change tack somehow and get a deal before the 31st in order to nullify Farage. A majority of Tory members when polled over the summer were happy to see the break up of the Union if it meant Brexit, so a Northern Ireland only backstop wouldn't upset them, just the DUP, who at the moment are useless to Johnson as their votes make no difference anymore. So, why not throw the DUP under the Brexit bus while parliament is shut down for 5 weeks and then vote on May's deal with a NI only backstop when they get back on 14th Oct? Numbers would be tight with some ERG voting with DUP against it, but some Labour also likely to vote for it...

I'm just going on memory of what happened with May so could be completely wrong, but I'm sure she was still PM right up until Johnson was elected. I think there always has to be someone acting as PM until parliament dissolves for an election. As you say, the Bill drafters have probably covered all eventualities, it was supposed to be a very well drafted Bill by those in the know...

I think when a PM resigns they are supposed to stay on in a caretaker role until a new leader is elected, which is what May did, but if they want to leave straight away then the next in line stands in, with May it was Liddington, I think with Johnson it may be Gove...

These deep fakes are getting scarily realistic. Warning: once you've seen it you can't unsee it...https://twitter.com/Alex_Negueruela/status/1169265030287810561

Sephiroth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > (Although I?d be interested in a Venn diagram of > referendum voting and smoking habits ;-)) *Waves at El Pibe...*

That sounds like compromise Seph... ;-)

Sephiroth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Firstly - no deal is still the default. Johnson > still has to request and eu still have to agree to > any extension. If I was then I would wonder ?why > bother? We said don?t waste the time 6 months > ago but the state of ye!? True, the Bill if it passes only moves No Deal to another date, in this case 31st Jan. Only revoke or accepting a deal takes ND completely off the table. The Bill makes it clear that the PM has to ask for an extension, that would be enshrined in law. I think if it gets to that stage he's more likely to resign than have the optics of going to Brussels cap in hand. He must realise that now, hence all the goading of Corbyn to seek an early GE, his only Get Out of Jail card. The EU may think that but they are the ones who have been sensible and pragmatic during the process and I'm sure they would grant one, especially if as likely there will be an election, for them that's better than ND...

This Lord has got his essentials sorted, Quality Street and Bonne Maman biccies, not sure about the Ritz biccies though, perhaps a crunch crunch munch munch distractionary measure...#tooledup

Someone should've thrown a duvet over Mogg last night, some good memes around...

May's deal didn't respect the referendum, it provided a very hard Brexit and didn't reflect the closeness of the result. My take at the time, and it's written on here somewhere in one of the myriad of threads, was that Brexit at the time of the referendum was nothing more than a concept, the Brexiters needed to go away, take as long as they needed, and come up with a coherent plan for what exactly Brexit meant, no catchy slogans/soundbites, actual policies and solutions such as the Irish border, and once done put that to a second ratification vote, this was before the People's Vote idea came about. I didn't think that was a compromise, more a pragmatic, logical and fair thing to do, something that the Brits were once famed for. As for now, I'm with Seph, we need to stop Brexit asap, it's dragging the country down and down, we need to get back to some normality. The Brexiters have had long enough to facilitate Brexit and failed miserably. This doesn't stop Brexit from happening in the future, the Brexiters can go away and do what I suggested, come up with a clear coherent plan but rather than another referendum, it has to be done via an election, part of a party's manifesto. The biggest mistake was distilling Brexit from everything else in a binary referendum, when the reality is it affects everything, and therefore needs to be judged as part of an overall political manifesto...

Thanks for such an insightful comment...

Johnson took quite a mauling, his jokey slap on the back buffoonery just isn't suited to the Parliament bear pit. The Rebel Alliance seems to be holding strong, apparently while some of them were waiting for talks with Johnson earlier, they were spotted by Cummings who proceeded to 'hector' them...''I don't know who any of you are''. How to win friends and influence people...

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If that is referring to Shipman's tweet... As the Sunday Times revealed a week ago, you can get around the 2\3rds majority needed for an election in the Fixed Term Parliaments Act by passing a one line bill that says ?notwithstanding the FTPA, we will have a general election on X date? Here are Law & Policy expert David Allen Green's comments on that... Am being asked a lot about this It is correct, but hardly a revelation Basic constitutional stuff '"Notwithstanding" legislation is always possible, but it would require primary legislation at speed through both Houses So basically saying it would need to pass through both the Commons and Lords. Good luck with that. He goes on to say... Any "notwithstanding" legislation for a general election, to sidestep the Fixed-term Parliament Act can be amended It can be amended this way: to block No Deal It can me amended that way: to withdraw prorogation It can be amended so many ways And the government knows it Again, good luck with that. Ah, I see that while I've been writing this you've amended and deleted the Laura Kuenssberg link you originally posted dbboy, so here it is again so people can relate it to my post...https://twitter.com/bbclaurak

BBC journo Norman Smith picking up on the strategy that Corbyn should follow thus rendering the dick-swinging Johnson nothing more than a political eunuch... Seems to me the Boris Johnson strategy cd be about to blow up in his face if MPs back No deal legislation AND block early general election.

paulu197 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Note that the PM is actually elected. We vote for > a party not a leader, its the party's perogative > to decide who should lead. Simple Not so simple, many people will base their vote depending on who the party leader is, for example I won't vote for Labour while Corbyn is their leader...

Week 4 points... Week 4 table... International break, back in about 10 days time...

pk Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > i think that it's hard to argue that 52% voted for > the same thing, so it's only right to check if > anything achievable from here is what people want > knowing what we know now (and if it is then (even > as a remainer) i would back getting on with it) I wouldn't back them getting on with it, but I would shut up..:)

That's why I wrote 'traitor' not traitor...