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JohnL Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Corbyn has said today he will support a GE - but > I'm still not sure. One trap that has been highlighted today is that Johnson could propose an election date before the next EU Council meeting in mid-Oct, get MPs' approval but then later legally change the date to the 31st Oct or beyond. One would hope that Corbyn is aware of this and doesn't take the bait. The priority has to be to get legislation in place to stop No Deal on the 31st...

JohnL Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > We're going to have to prioritise if there are > problems. > > Water, Medicines and Power come first (OK we can > put up with some power cuts but not many as we > rely on power so much these days - unlike the 70s > where power cuts happened regularly). > > Food variety and other stuff (toiletries) we can > make do for a while (it won't kill us). The United Kingdom. During peacetime. In 2019. Bonkers...

Obvs...

Loutwo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > And of course, a GE could produce the same result, > this leaving ya back in square one with a Brexit > deadline looming days after. > > Louisa. I think the reason for Johnson to call for a GE would be because the anti-no dealers had succeeded in getting legislation put in place to defer the 31st deadline by some means, e.g. compelling Johnson to ask for an extension. This will be the anti-no dealers main priority, not a vote of no confidence...

And as my post points out, it's quite easy for anti no-delaers to wrong foot Johnson...

It does sound hardcore but I haven't done that route for quite a while, at Elephant it used to be very easy with the cycle lanes and underpasses to avoid the traffic on the busy roundabouts...

Prediction for what should turn out to be a monumental week in Parliament: Rebels win and Johnson calls an election with his People v Politicians playbook. Only problem with that is he needs two thirds of MPs to agree i.e. quite a few Labour MPs to vote for it too. Normally Corbyn would be all over an election like a rash, but I'm wondering does he realise if he's cute enough he can make 'do or die' Johnson sweat it out until after the 31st deadline passes, after which Johnson politically 'dies' as he's screwed up on delivering Brexit. This opens the door for Farage again, but Corbyn has a much better chance of beating him than Johnson in an election, with the possibility of becoming PM in a Remain coalition...

I wish I had a fiver for very time I heard a Leave voter saying they knew exactly what they were voting for...

TheCat Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > If the nation survived the global financial crisis > when the entire financial system was on the brink > of collapse - we will manage not being in the > European Union. Big difference, the credit crunch wasn't self-inflicted and the country wasn't divided by it. If you think it's bad now, it's going to get a lot worse whatever happens...

dbboy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > As I said previously May & Co faffed for three > years, Bojo is now enacting the outcome of the > referendum. If the govt failed to do this it would > not be doing the job it was elected to do May agreed a deal to leave, thus enacting the outcome of the referendum, it was voted for 3 times by 'traitors' like Grieve and Hammond, even Johnson and Rees Mogg flipped on the third attempt. It failed primarily because of hardcore Brexiters voting against it, knowing it could lead to no deal. Johnson is not enacting the outcome of the referendum if no deal happened, we were told there would be a deal, in Johnson's own words, ''we can have our cake and eat it'', that's what leavers voted for. I agree it can't go on, but neither can no deal be seen to be enacting the referendum...

teddyboy23 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Dr fair play to what you say.but dont you think > parliamentary democracy .went out the window some > time a go .ie elected representatives completely > ignoring the referendum result from the voters > that put them in Parliament .that's not democracy > surely.another example the latest by election > result.which the liberal democrats won.that > constituency voted leave 58% .yet the newly > elected mp straightaway saids I will do all I can > to stop brexit.that's not democracy.that's the > point I was trying to make above.was what's the > point of voting if MPs do their own thing. The problem with the referendum was that there wasn't a clear definition of what Brexit actually meant and entailed, e.g. soft, medium, hard Brexit etc. The Leave campaign said there would be a deal but didn't elaborate. So after the referendum this left it open to interpretation. May's deal honoured the referendum in that we would've left the EU, but it wasn't Brexity enough for the ERG types. The thing about elected representatives is that they can't please all their constituents, so whatever they do there will be people upset with them. There are plenty of Leave voting MPs in Remain voting constituencies. They are therefore expected to put national interest first even if it goes against their constituents wishes, knowing they can always be voted out one day. The recent Lib Dem win in Wales happened 3 years after the referendum, that tells me some people have changed their mind in that time, one of the reasons why a confirmatory referendum on any deal is a good idea. They also knew what the Lib Dems stand for, to stop Brexit. We can't keep harking back to a day over 3 years ago as if time stood still. People now know much more what Brexit entails and the economic damage it will cause, especially No Deal which wasn't even discussed during the referendum...

dbboy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > So how do you describe 1930's Germany, Hitler and > the resulting catastrophe which resulted? Clusterfuck seems appropriate, not to be confused with other clusterfucks that have happened during the history of time...

Jenny1 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I take it you've gone off the whole 'Swiss Model' > idea Dulwich Fox? Or maybe just didn't see my > question to you about it above? Google didn't have an answer to your question Jenny...

dbboy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Now, it's the inference that you clearly make Wrong, it's the inference that you clearly have made. Fascism seeks to destroy parliamentary liberalism, hence why I used it in the context of this Gov shutting down parliament. I deliberately used the term fascism in the generic term rather than a specific form of fascism. It was you that equated fascism to 'Nazi Germany'. By the way, fascism's roots are actually in Italian politics...

Not many working people bought houses back then, and a lot moved out because of the shortage of housing due to the war and general slum-like conditions. Working people buying their own homes only became popular when they could buy their council owned property under Thatcher's Right to Buy. Ironically that started the cycle of houses becoming unaffordable for future generations...

uncleglen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- ...again the Remainiacs resort to personal > insults Deja vu!...:)

Errrr, Sadiq Khan doesn't speak for me and what I wrote. Keep trying...

He doesn't even live in Dulwich. Can't confirm whether or not he's a mangy, flea ridden scavenger though...

That's still not a reference to Nazi Germany. Keep trying...

teddy, as has already been stated, that's a false equivalence, a better example would've been to ask what if Corbyn had prorogued parliament in order to get something controversial through e.g. removing the monarchy. I'm no royalist but I would still be 100% against it as it flies against how our parliamentary democracy works. We elect MPs to debate and scrutinise such proposals, and then vote on them, that's how an elected representative democracy works. Shutting down parliament stops that from happening. Only this morning Michael Gove said that the Gov could ignore any law made this week to prevent No Deal, i.e the Gov is above the Law, again another attack on our democracy. This Gov has plenty of form, here's a very good summary of how this Gov has attacked our democracy and the pillars that hold it up. I might add, written by a long-term Eurosceptic, this isn't just about Leave or Remain anymore, it's about protecting our democracy from creeping authoritarianism and fascism...https://twitter.com/davidallengreen/status/1168108396605857792

Give Short Cummings some credit, he's done the impossible and managed to unite leave and remain voters with their objection to Prorogation. Strategic genius...

DulwichFox Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Are they all immigrants. ?? Are they all illegal > ?? NO.. Some of the owners / staff have lived > here for 40+ years. How long someone has worked and lived here has nothing to do with their status and whether our glorious Home Office will grant them permanent residency. But of course you know better and even use capitals, so it must be TRUE. Perhaps you'd like to give this lady some advice...

DulwichFox Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > ETA. It is worth noting that Many openly Racist > types express the wish to Remain. Such as? Give us some actual names rather than anecdotal made-up ones...

DulwichFox Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I could not give a toss about your desire to work/ > retire in the E.U. Yypical inward thinking, isolationist, nationalistic, xenophobic pratism...

uncleglen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > here we go again remainiacs resorting to insults.. Dear Pot Only you could've written that and not realised the irony :) Love, Kettle