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what I mean is that a lot of religious people believe that the bible is fact, based on actual things that happened. In reality it is a work of fiction tjat requires 'faith' to believe in a higher being. One could argue that Astrology is a higher power over which we have no control. I'm not sure any one has tried to pass it off as a 'science'.

you can have ethics, and a belief in a 'way of life' without being religious.

Moos Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Astrology claims to be scientific and fact-based. > It's not a faith. Can I just say - you are now admitting that religion is not fact based.

'cos I can burn round that race course

neither has any basis in fact

what's the difference between faith in a higher being and faith in astrology?

yes, faith, that's the operative word

you mean because they are fat bastards really don't you?

I'm a fire horse, apparently they were drowned at birth in China!

but hang on a feckin minute, some of you are prepared to believe in God - yet not in Astrology. Can I have a distinction please?

horse me, that'll be the long face (boo hoo)

woo woo woo

Excuse me but I feel very strongly that a Margherita should be on the list also. Bugger the Mojitos bring on the Tequila!

Obviously the day to day 'mystic meg' style predictions are rubbish. BUT is there anything to it? What do we think about the general physical and character traits attributable to zodiac signs? How many of us have done a compatabily test? I will stick my neck out and say that I do believe there is an element of stereotyping that can be done. For example: Cancerians often have moon faces; Librans like balance and calm and are crap at making decisions, Leos have big hair; Virgos are pernickety buggers. Get on it.......

I remember being taught how to change a plug and make an apple crumble. I don't think they do that anymore.

I might come down, haven't been for a few months and mr. asset went to the last one.

Just to continue, Cassius I think you mistake people with kids getting pissed off about being told they ought not to be in public places with their kids after 6pm, with people who are saying you are selfish for not wanting kids. Frankly some of the vitriol that is poured on those that choose to go to restaurants or bars with offspring is disturbing to say the least.

Cripes, I think most people with kids appreciate the desire for a quite meal once in a while - and dare I say it, possibly much more than people without kids who get to have a quiet meal whenever they please. I think the grandparent thing is different, I can understand sadness at not getting grandchildren, however that is very different from having a go at a friend for not reproducing

i WAS WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO JUMP ON ME FOR THAT COMMENT. i'M NOT ATTACKING, JUST BEING DEVIL'S ADVOCATE. SCUSE CAPS - NOT SHOUTING

rugby fans much more inclusive

Personally I think all the people who say get called 'selfish' etc and given a hard time by friends for not wanting children, have got the wrong friends. I would never presume to say that sort of judgemental thing to the people I call my friends. I may however have a discussion with them about the whys and wherefores of their decision. I cannot really believe that people do say things like that, why should they care whether you do or don't have children? You don't think maybe there is a possibility of persons being on the defensive and reading inferences that are not really there into the comments?

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What is a language snob?

wait till you have to sew in all those damn name labels Brendan. On the other hand, I have at least three girlfriends who are in their 40's who never got round to having kids earlier and are now gutted that they don't have them.

Brendan, yes, it's a real case of teamwork. I suppose that's why the human race has lasted this long. (although in our house I do the garden and the car too)