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MrsDanvers Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > You didn't immunise your children against whooping > cough? That means, I suppose, that you left them > unimmunised against polio, diphtheria and tetanus > as well. I honestly think you must be mad. Yes, with a whopping 8 cases of diphtheria in the UK since 2010 and a grand total of 0 cases of polio in the last 14 years, she must be freaking BANANAS, hope she's not taking this poor little mite to school, sainsbury's, the swings....;-) (joke..)

The Slap

the baby whisperer says you do the 'wake to sleep' 30 mins before habitual waking time if it's a daytime nap and 1 hour if it's at night, but other stuff I've read from different sleep experts has slightly different timings..

Kes Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > I don't know anything about he compensation > information you give, it would be good to know > where you got it from through? > Kes I have no wish to argue and am also going to step away from the thread! I do find the subject interesting as it comes up such a lot with parents, it's not something I gave a great deal of though to before having a child, admittedly.. I have no idea whether vaccinations can damage children or adults or not (logic tells me the answer is sometimes yes, if governments are paying out compensation, which it seems unlikely they would do if not..) I do however believe that it must be rare for a child to be damaged by a vaccination, and this is the basis on which I have chosen to have my child vaccinated, but obviously there will be other parents who do not feel, having weighed it up, that they can take the risk that their child will be one of the unlucky ones, however statistically unlikely that is when weighed up against all the children who are fine. I respect this too. Government Vaccine Damage Compensation Unit web page > the US stats for compensation

Ha! I also can't believe I have been drawn into joining in with this debate again, it's hard not to for some reason! Kes, I don't really get why can't you believe it? I may have chosen to vaccinate after weighing it up, but I can totally see why the subject of potential vaccination damage is still being hotly debated, on this page of the thread we have neilly1973 saying that her health visitor is not vaccinating her children because of the amount of vaccine damage she has seen through her line of work as a medical professional, and my own experience of a respected family GP saying the same thing. Not the butcher, the baker or the candlestick maker, but a GP. It would be pretty arrogant of us to write off the concerns of a GP as piffle, would it not? Plus - and I'm not putting this in a scaremongers way, just because I think it is relevant to our discussion - just did a bit of googling and it appears that the government's Vaccine Damage Payments Unit has paid out ?3, 282, 500 since 1998 in compensation for vaccine damaged children (and adults who were damaged by vaccinations they had to have for work as adults). The department only pays out if the claimant can prove a causal link, and is 60% disabled or more. Yes of course the vast majority of claimants cannot prove a link and don't get compensation, but there are obviously a fair few people who are getting compensation, and in the light of there being a need for this department to exist, why can't you believe it's still being discussed? It would be weirder if it wasn't discussed surely?

Ruth_Baldock Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > single vaccines is meant to be a lot more painful > and damaging, actually. > In what sense more damaging Ruth? And more damaging than what? We're going to have some jabs done singly and would be good to know where you've got that information from? Neilly1973 wrote: >I was really interested by the doctor who off the record said they would not be vaccinating their children, I was also >interested to find out that a friend of mine who is a health visitor who has not vaccinated any of her 3 children as she >had seen too much vaccine damage in her work (i was very surprised by this). Neilly1973 I was also very surprised when the GP told me that they were not vaccinating their children, as with your health visitor, due to the amount of vaccine damage they had come across. I respected their honesty (it was in response to me asking various questions about spacing jabs, my daughter's own reaction, and I used the phrase 'if it were your child...' and they obviously felt that they couldn't be untruthful) I appreciated that rather than parroting advice to me, but doing something different by their own children, with information they were privy to in their line of work, that I wasn't, they were being honest when I asked. It did of course give me a lot of cause for thought!! But rightly or wrongly, we are vaccinating, but on a somewhat delayed schedule, and will have the MMR done privately in single jabs, not because of the autism debate, but because with her bad reaction to a multi jab in the past, if I can get some vaccinations done singly, then I will, as this makes sense to me.

prickle Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It is arrogant to go against > the prevailing professional advice for something > that not only affects the health of your child but > also others. You are gambling with your child > health for the sake of what you see as your right > to choose. Prickle, I think it's grossly unfair to suggest that parents like TE44 are 'gambling' with their children's health 'just for the sake' of exercising their right to choose, rather than because they feel they are doing the best for their child, whether we have come to the same decision or not. You surely can't really think that their motivation is such as you suggest?

taper if you take the time to read the thread properly, it has segued into something slightly more complex than MMR and Andrew Wakefield, perhaps respond to some of the actual comments that have been posted in the resurrected portion of the thread, and then you will be able to contribute more to the actual conversation that is being held? My post, for example, hasn't got anything to do with the MMR autism scare, it is do do with my daughter, and indeed several members of my family, having had extreme reactions to jabs, and the route I have decided to take in terms of the spacing of her jabs as a result. Am I 'worrying unnecessarily' or is this something that as any responsible parent, I should be thinking about in our particular set of circumstances? It's tedious when people add to interesting topics and debates on here with the conversational equivalent of ' naaah, everyrone shhhhudddup!'

I have found the decisions around which jabs and when to vaccinate very thorny, especially as we have a family history of adverse reactions to some jabs and my own daughter had an extreme reaction to one of the infant jabs which was very frightening. In the end we decided to continue with vaccinations but are following a slightly delayed schedule with longer spaces between jabs, on the advice of our GP, and also following our own instincts. I feel very uncomfortable having her vaccinated after the extreme reaction she had, and dread going to the surgery whenever it's a jabs appointment, but would also be anxious about not vaccinating, so have felt very much between a rock and a hard place with the whole thing, wondering what I should do for the best for my daughter. Speaking candidly, when you have witnessed a very scary reaction to a vaccination, your first thoughts are not about herd immunity and the politics of that, but are about the safety and well being of your own child. Other than the GP I mentioned who advised us to have a different schedule, I sought the advice of two other GPs in the period when we were trying to make up our mind what to do, the first said that although obviously they're not supposed to promote the idea, it is in fact fine to vaccinate on a schedule different to the national programme - pointing out that the ages at which different jabs happen has regularly changed over the years, and that I, for instance, would not have been vaccinated against rubella until my teens, so it is, in his words 'fairly arbitrary' when they happen, but his advice would be that they do happen. The second one said, off the record, that they would not be vaccinating their children. This did little to lessen my conflicted feelings! We all have to make our own choice at the end of the day..

Saffron Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > From the link above: > More than 20 states permit exemptions for personal > or philosophical reasons, according to the > Institute for Vaccine Safety at the Johns Hopkins > Bloomberg School of Public Health. (Not > coincidentally, these states have higher rates of > measles, chicken pox, and pertussis.) > > One might wonder whether if these diseases reached > a national epidemic proportion, if exemptions > would be revoked on all but the most extreme > grounds? But how would they enforce it if they did go that route? Police? arresting parents who haven't had children vaccinated? I may be choosing to have my own child vaccinated but I would fight for the right of those who choose not to, to make that choice, about their own child...

susyp Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > but perhaps children who are not vaccinated should > not be enrolled in schools , as it affects > everyone when the herd immunity decreases. > susypx So if you exercise your right to choose whether or not your child should have certain vaccinations, they should not have the right to be educated? Supposing you have been advised by your doctor not to take up one or more of the immunisations because of family history etc? Does that child also get excluded from school?

you still have boobs? jealous..

How about risotto? fish cakes breaded chicken or fish strips (your own fish fingers / chicken nugget type things) macaroni cheese tortilla buy fresh gnocchi cos it only takes 2 mins on the hob? stir in pesto or grated cheese must make more of these myself, mini sailor pretty much rotates the same 5 casseroles / pasta dishes...not very good at being experimental when I find something she will happily eat!

The Ship Inn in Rye are very welcoming to children The Ship Inn

I was going to post something very similar recently! I would say that in my experience, cars only stop at either crossing on East Dulwich Grove about 20% of the time, and that includes when you are already severalsteps across, pushing a buggy ,holding a child's hand, whatever. It has always really shocked me that this is the case on these 2 crossings, as I have never really encountered this before living on East Dulwich Grove! Generally when you're crossing a zebra your assumption is that an oncoming car will stop - on East Dulwich Grove my assumption is always that they will sail past me at speed. The vast majority of the time this is true, I am actually surprised now if a car stops when I am either waiting or have started to cross, as it is rare. What is is that is particular about EDG that means most drivers do this? as I used to live on a road as busy as EDG, and it never happened?

that's wonderful news Saila!

shot by the sheriff have recently put their rates for this up to ?15 and said I'd have to book an appointment several days in advance I went to the photo shop (I forget the name - something like '30 minute digital photos' I think) a couple of doors down from Soup Dragon and they did it on the spot for ?5. Great service!

does drinking water help because it keeps you full so you are less peckish or does it actually help weight loss in another way? have always been a bit confused by this!

tiddles Wrote: > > Zeban - I understand where you are coming from but > when you are actually dealing with the here and > now, compromise on both sides kicks in. I have > found that my attitudes about child rearing has > changed dramatically when different > ages/situations have arisen. and, indeed, I imagine, from actually having children...

thanks so much for all your replies...she is finally asleep...my partner bought a (several hundred pound...*pales* ) air conditioner unit from homebase on the way home from work and it has made the room just bearable for her to sleep in...possibly only because she has been awake for so many hours without sleeping that she was finally going to pass out whatever we did! But it is definitely making the room cooler, still about 28 but this is a vast improvement on 35, and I am less worried about her body temperature soaring up like it did as lunch time when I tried to get her to nap in there...after 3 days of crying day and night with no sleep, I am just relived she is finally getting some rest. Susan funnily enough we have exactly the same arrangement as you - blackout lining that I can velcro up to the window, but this definitely makes the room way hotter, baffled as to why everyone else is finding it makes the room cooler, I wish it did in her room!! What a gruelling 3 days of no sleep and constant crying, reminds me of newborn days..I have to laugh, I've spent weeks moaning about the rain and eagerly checking the weather forecast to see if we're going to get a bit of sun, and am now fervently checking the forecast hoping it goes back to being a paltry 14 degrees soon....the ridiculousness of the situation is not lost on me... if anyone is thinking of extending into their loft: don't but if anyone is thinking of PMing me to come round for a sauna: do x

thanks all, room is now 35 degrees, she has screamed until I have taken her out of the room for both naps today, so has not slept and is absolutely exhausted.. Her room is in the loft, therein lies the problem, so the opening the loft hatch trick is not possible unfortunately, keeping the windows closed has definitely heated the room up rather than cooled it down, I think this must be because it is a loft room, as it has kept other rooms cooler, I will google this film you can apply to windows that some of you have suggested, thanks plus my question has been answered about the safety as when I brought her down from the nap-that-wasn't this afternoon, her temperature had gone to 100 degs just from being in a room that hot, so I guess I've answered my own question and I don't feel it is safe for her to sleep in that heat...not that she has any intention of doing so....!

Thanks for replies everyone, it had reached 31 degrees in her room by midday - today I tried opening the window for a couple of hours in the coolest part of the day from about 7am, and then closing it until lunchtime to see if that made any difference. I didn't put the blind down as it is a blackout blind and definitely makes the room hotter, I think perhaps keeping curtains / blinds drawn only works to cool a room if they're not blackout, as ours creates a greenhouse type humidity! Anyway, keeping the window closed seems to have made it worse, as the room is so hot I can't put her in it for her lunchtime nap as she was just screaming. back to the drawing board...

yes two fans is indeed a bit extreme, but it's a bit of a case of a rock and a hard place, tho they are angled so they're not blowing a gale straight into her cot. She doesn't normally cry at bedtime, no, so it is the heat that's upsetting her. But we can deal with the disruption of her not wanting to go to bed, that's just one of those things, what is worrying me is the potential safety element..

It has been boiling hot in my 15 month old daughter's room for the last 2 days, and got to 32 degrees by her bedtime tonight - didn't know a gro egg could glow quite so flame red... She has sobbed the house down both bedtimes when we have tried to put her to bed, which has led us to do anything we need to to get her to settle in another room, i.e fall asleep lying on our bed with one of us, which has taken up to 2 hours last night and tonight, as she is clearly not going to settle in her room, and then transfer her once asleep to her cot....but is it actually safe for her to sleep in a room that hot? I know 16-20, or 18-22, depending on what you read, is the guideline for younger babies, but how much of a safety issue is this after they turn 1? She has two fans trained on the cot to try to keep her cool, and is wearing just a nappy and a 0.5 grobag, and I'm supposing that if we took her on holiday to a very hot country her room might be very hot, and people obviously do this all the time, but just wanted to check...is it unsafe to be putting her to sleep in a room this hot? We tried settling her in a travel cot in another room last night (hers is the hottest room unfortunately ) but she absolutely screamed the house down and we had to give up after many attempts last night (bodes well for the holiday we have booked!) which I think is because she has only slept in a real cot when we went away before and frankly didn't know what on earth was going on..so doesn't seem to be the solution we hoped! With the weather set to get hotter I'm not sure what to do, particularly as if her room has reached 32 when it was only 25 degrees outdoors today, I imagine it could get much hotter if the days get hotter...jeepers should I be worried about the safety of her sleeping in this temperature? thanks for any advice

tripp trap supposed to be for use with tables 72 - 76 cm tall - it turned out our table was the exact same height as the bar, so we cannot get the tripp trapp under the table but this hasn't been a problem..