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a friend of mine has recently organised the same set up for her own visiting parents - sounds as if it might even be the same one you are following up with Marmora Man - if that doesn't work out, pm me and I will ask my friend how to contact the person she has organised it with in case it's a different person!

Quite as you say Fuchsia, Also not sure why people are giving it the ol' 'here we go again' vibe and re-posting previous threads on the MMR debate, what the OP requested was simply whether anyone had any info on clinics where they could have the jabs done separately, he / she was not asking for info or view on the whole debate surrounding the issue. He / she is therefore not going over old ground from previous threads, and has done nothing to warrant this somewhat 'eye-rolling' response from others, but is posing a new question, simply about the whereabouts of clinics. There appears to be an element of confusion. But actually it is really pretty simples.

Kes I wasn't saying anyone should necessarily subscribe to the opinions on the website about whether vaccinations should be separated, just that it was a link to a clinic who provide the jabs separately, and was a website suggested to us by our GP who has advised us we might want to look into separating the jabs for various reasons. As The OP says, it's quite hard to go about looking into where you might go for separate jabs with nothing to go on, and as this was a site suggested to us by our GP I have posted it in response to the OP's request for any info on places it is possible to have separate jabs. I re-iterate, I'm not suggesting that the opinions on the site about the negatives of multi jabs or the pros of separating the jabs have any veracity or not, just that if someone has made up their own mind to have their child's MMR jabs separated, this is a website I have been directed to as a potential venue to get the jabs done. I have no experience of the clinic and would not claim to vouch for it in any way. We have only started looking into this as it has been suggested to us as possibly the best way forward in the case of our particular child and particular circumstances, but I would say, Kes, that if you can find a site with 'impartial advice' I'd be fascinated to see it - cos from what I can tell from my research there is no such thing! Frankly finding the whole thing a minefield. And deffo don't want to get into a debate about it!

We are also making the decision about whether to have the jabs separately - as advised by our GP for various reasons - and have been looking on this website here as part of our research about what is available in London

There is a child sleep expert called Nicola who is under the forum name childsleepsolutions and has a website of the same name, if you mean her?

Thanks everyone! Snowboarder, I do miss the fact that with bfing you do not know how much they're drinking! Ignorance is bliss in this regard I think! To be honest it's not so much the calcium, nutritional side of things I'm worried about as will deffo still be ploughing yoghurt and cheese and other calcium rich foods like certain veg into her as much as poss, it's more that unless her eating takes a major upturn as a direct result of reducing her milk, she'll be getting by on fairly minimal amounts if I knock down from 20oz to 12/14ish oz, and she still doesn't eat much, so simply can't see where her energy is going to come from or how she will continue to sleep soundly, and not be permanently hungry..guess I have to have faith that she will start eating more solids like she used to before seemingly narrowing down her list of things she will eat from about 50 to about, er, 4. ::o

ah, wasn't dreaming up 14oz from nowhere then, thanks for clarifying! Anyone else got any advice? xx

Thought it best to start a new thread so as not to hijack Jennyh's thread about bottles / beakers, but can I just ask, is it roughly 14oz (420ml) milk a day that babies are supposed to reduce down to from about 20oz (600ml) a day which is what we've been giving our daughter who has just turned 1? I can't find anything that actually clarifies this, but think I vaguely remember the figure 14oz from somewhere...? My daughter has been having 3 bottles a day until now which seems to be what lots of babies are having at about her age, (7oz each, maybe leaving an ounce here or there) so in order to reduce the amount, have most people / do people plan to simply cut out the afternoon bottle entirely, leaving morning and bedtime milk only, or keep 3 milk feeds a day but reduce amounts so as to reduce daily intake? Plus, if you start giving morning milk in a beaker or doidy cup and they throw it around instead of drinking it, do you just go with that and not offer them a bottle, even if they are going to end up drinking much less than even 14oz a day because of that? And lastly, did people reduce milk at age 1 even if their baby had in fact become a worse eater over time, not a better eater, and you felt that the bulk of what was sustaining them was their 20oz of milk? did you still bite on the bullet and cut right back on milk even if the amount of solids they ate was pretty dire, in the hopes it would motivate them to eat more? Thanks in advance!

Don't keep beating yourself up with how you think you've messed it up already in the first few weeks / months..' agh I feed my baby to sleep so they'll never learn to go down without it', 'noooo My baby only sleeps on me so will never sleep in a basket, cot, etc' - they will before long - but the sinking feeling that you're getting it all wrong takes the edge off the fun and the newborn cuddles and you don't get that time back. Distinctly remember posting a desperate thread on here 'My baby is 5 weeks old and we still don't have anything resembling a routine' hahahahahahahahaha! 35 days old and incredibly, not complying to the schedule it outlined in the books! snarf!

Have pmed x

Sounds good, will definitely try to come, thurs pref to tues I guess X

You're quite right come to think of it, I was getting confused as you can pack it away by pulling the legs off..tho depending on the size of your sitting room, if it were a possibility to keep the antilop pushed to one side against a wall, I would say it might still take up less room, and would definitely look less of an eyesore than some of the bigger, gaudier ones even if they were folded flat and resting against the wall, say. Plus, I think that folding a highchair away 3 times a day to be less obtrusive in your sitting room might seem more feasible now, before you've started weaning in earnest, but you may find that becomes too much of a palava and prefer to have something with a quite minimalist design that doesn't stick out like a sore thumb, up all the time, if you see what I mean!

The Ikea antilop is all of those things, and about ?15 including tray, it's the one you see in lots of cafes etc, or you could look at ones like the phil and teds 'me too' or 'lobster' which clip onto a table plus are great for going out and about, if you have a table in the lounge, (even a low coffee table works) though they are a bit of a faff to clean..

Hi Mothercourage, I'm no expert but wanted to add that our your daughter sounds very much like our daughter was - she is tongue tied which also hasn't ever been treated as it was only diagnosed at 6 months, after 6 months of difficulty with breast feeding (issued was confused as also had reflux so was hard to tell why it was going badly, referral got lost etc) She was also a VERY reluctant bottle feeder - refused completely, no matter what we tried (everything you've described and more!) until she was over 6 months. The breast feeding and tongue tie specialists at kings did not think it was likely that TT could affect bottle feeding,as they said that it was an easier action, as it were, than breast feeding with tongue tie. My feeling was also that this was not the reason she refused - it wasn't as if she was happily taking the bottle in her mouth wanting to feed from it and then finding it hard, she clearly didn't want us to even put it into her mouth. Sometimes when she was asleep and we gave tried giving her a couple of ounces from a bottle at the dream feed she would take it in that zonked out state, but never knowingly by day, so it was pretty clear it was not that she physically couldn't drink from a bottle. If she isn't having trouble breast feeding as her TT is so mild, my gut feeling is that it is not the reason she is resisting the bottle (but as I say I'm no expert!) - I have several friends whose babies never took the bottle despite months of trying, with no apparent reason other than they didn't want to -frustrating I know! If you are considering having her snipped then I would do it as quickly as possible - forgive me if this is information you already have, but for a period after the procedure (apologies, I forget if it's 2 or 3 weeks) you have to make sure that you wake your baby at night to get them to feed every couple of hours because if you don't then the wound heals over very quickly as the mouth is so good at healing itself, rendering the procedure pointless.) I have a friend who couldn't face doing this as regularly as that, and within days the procedure had to be re-done as it is essential to do it to make the snip permanent. My long winded point is that this was not an option for us at 6 months old when my daughter had been sleeping through for months, she would no more have fed once, let alone every two hours in the night than you or I would want to! They did say I could 'weke her up to cry' instead if I wanted the procedure, but again, the idea of waking my daughter up to get her to cry every couple of hours at night when she was a good sleeper, was very unappealing. They also said that naturally, the procedure is more unpleasant for the baby the older they are = one of the reasons the cut off point for offering it is 6 months at kings - and as she was 6 months a few days after diagnosis we didn't want to put her through that, plus the night wakings etc. So perhaps there's an argument to say that if you do think you want it done, better to do it now, before your baby is in a sleep pattern that it would be very difficult to disrupt, than see how it's going in a few weeks. I have lots of tips for getting babies to take the bottle, sounds like you've tried a fair few of them but I will pm them now in case there's anything of use that you haven't tried. Good luck!

Thank you this has been so helpful! Using this technique now and going a lot better! She still resists but I think knows it is futile and is perhaps slightly less resistant today than the last two days of using it! In any case, poo isn't flying everywhere anymore so that's a major improvement!

I think Fuchsia put up a useful link about this a few weeks ago will try to resurrect it Here is the link to the page

these are worrying tidings indeed sb..! Basically between the food refusal and the nappy refusal my little one has pretty much got the day sewn up as a string of stressful interludes at the moment, joy! Good jobs she's just learnt to kiss me x

In my experience the system at Kings means you have to be given the diagnosis of TT, but then wait a few days and have to get a SECOND diagnosis - even if by the same person a few days apart, Claire Kedves or Joanne Joseph etc - before you can be referred to the clinic for the snip. The bf specialists despair of this red tape but you have to do it. Once you have been referred to the clinic you should get the procedure within days, so weirdly it is the referral process, not the waiting list at the clinic, which can often delay. I think that what others have said about it being ?90 very well spent to have the snip done privately is spot on - though I feel for you having to make the journey when still recovering. But then being at the TT clinic takes several hours so that would be a lot of hanging around in a waiting room which might be tough at the mo. Good luck and let us know how you get on! x

Oh nowwwww I get it! That sounds genius Ok, will try that at the next change, thanks! I long for the day she comes up to me with wipes and starts taking her own nappy off to be helpful, that sounds glorious!

Hi Molly, thanks for posting! I'm afraid I'm being very thick and after playing around with her on the floor still can't work out the position you mean (I always failed those visual tests in IQ tests at school...) do you mean I sit with my legs outstretched flat in a V, and then do you mean that she lies flat on the floor between my legs with her feet pointing towards me as if she were on a changing table? I don't think that's what you mean as then my thigh can't really lie across her, Or do you mean that my legs would be bent and her head would be level with my feet? sorry for being stoooopid - feel free to clarify anyone else reading this!

Thanks all! She doesn't appear to have a sore bottom but I used a lot of metanium tonight just in case she is sore but it isn't very visible..she does get very distressed even as I put her down on the table but my instinct is that it's not wipes hurting as actually when I do manage to wipe her it doesn't seem to pain her - it's also come at a time when she is increasingly upset about being dressed, putting coat on, being strapped in buggy, er...eating, basically anything which involves losing her independence for a few seconds! So think probably a developmental phase not nappy rash but will definitely keep an eye out for sore bits. Crsytal7 and Lochie thanks for that tip - I guess you mean putting your shin across the tummy rather than your thigh? Am trying to visualise as definitely worth a try! She is actually poorly at the moment so am hoping that the new heights of distress she reached today during nappy changes were partly due to that, but it has been getting worse daily so perhaps it's just a coincidence that she's poorly.. Bumpy I have exhausted my use of toys / mobiles / keys / iPhone / silly songs / as distraction - they make no difference now sadly, thought the iPhone to put in her mouth would be bribery enough but even that seems to have lost it's appeal! Spooner, you are not wrong about it being hard work when poo is flying everywhere! Found myself crawling around the room behind her as she raced around, swiping at her bottom with a wipe like a demented matador earlier..

1 episode in Karter! Loving it!

Thanks Fuchsia - money no object in this scenario - I would clothe her bottom in freshly minted tenners if it meant not going through that again..

My 11.5 month old has been increasingly unhappy about having her nappy changed (grizzling, turning over, trying to crawl off) in the last few weeks and the last few days have been in a league of their own - it just took me 45 MINUTES to change her nappy because she arched, planked, flipped over hundreds of times and screamed and sobbed. I started on the changing table and ended up on the floor but neither made any difference - she was in a frenzy because she now hates being changed so much. I actually thought after 30 mins wrestling , I would actually have to give up and not put a nappy on her but as she has diarrhea I cracked on in spite of having to hold her down while her hysteria reached fever pitch...! I really don't want to have to forcefully pin her down several times a day while she screams - and to be honest, she is so strong that even if I felt happy doing that she can still wrestle herself away so it's not even a solution - but what on earth do you do?? A bit of grizzling and resistance I'm used to but a full on kicking screaming tantrum every time? gah! Is this a phase many babies go through? does it make it any easier if you use pull ups? (can you get pulls ups in size 4?)

all very interesting - thanks all! Very interesting articles Fuchsia - my instinct has also been that height and weight will be predicted more by genetics after this initial period when other factors come into play (how efficiently they've fed, how well they've taken to solids, how soon they crawl and burn off calories etc) Sanity Girl - you're so right, next time I have a baby I am not going to get them weighed after the first couple of weeks, caused so much anxiety when she was dropping down 3 percentiles but she is 75th now so wish I'd never known how far she was 'falling' and been subject to talks from hvs about failure to thrive etc!