hellosailor

You're quite right come to think of it, I was getting confused as you can pack it away by pulling the legs off..tho depending on the size of your sitting room, if it were a possibility to keep the antilop pushed to one side against a wall, I would say it might still take up less room, and would definitely look less of an eyesore than some of the bigger, gaudier ones even if they were folded flat and resting against the wall, say. Plus, I think that folding a highchair away 3 times a day to be less obtrusive in your sitting room might seem more feasible now, before you've started weaning in earnest, but you may find that becomes too much of a palava and prefer to have something with a quite minimalist design that doesn't stick out like a sore thumb, up all the time, if you see what I mean!

The Ikea antilop is all of those things, and about ?15 including tray, it's the one you see in lots of cafes etc, or you could look at ones like the phil and teds 'me too' or 'lobster' which clip onto a table plus are great for going out and about, if you have a table in the lounge, (even a low coffee table works) though they are a bit of a faff to clean..

Hi Mothercourage, I'm no expert but wanted to add that our your daughter sounds very much like our daughter was - she is tongue tied which also hasn't ever been treated as it was only diagnosed at 6 months, after 6 months of difficulty with breast feeding (issued was confused as also had reflux so was hard to tell why it was going badly, referral got lost etc) She was also a VERY reluctant bottle feeder - refused completely, no matter what we tried (everything you've described and more!) until she was over 6 months. The breast feeding and tongue tie specialists at kings did not think it was likely that TT could affect bottle feeding,as they said that it was an easier action, as it were, than breast feeding with tongue tie. My feeling was also that this was not the reason she refused - it wasn't as if she was happily taking the bottle in her mouth wanting to feed from it and then finding it hard, she clearly didn't want us to even put it into her mouth. Sometimes when she was asleep and we gave tried giving her a couple of ounces from a bottle at the dream feed she would take it in that zonked out state, but never knowingly by day, so it was pretty clear it was not that she physically couldn't drink from a bottle. If she isn't having trouble breast feeding as her TT is so mild, my gut feeling is that it is not the reason she is resisting the bottle (but as I say I'm no expert!) - I have several friends whose babies never took the bottle despite months of trying, with no apparent reason other than they didn't want to -frustrating I know! If you are considering having her snipped then I would do it as quickly as possible - forgive me if this is information you already have, but for a period after the procedure (apologies, I forget if it's 2 or 3 weeks) you have to make sure that you wake your baby at night to get them to feed every couple of hours because if you don't then the wound heals over very quickly as the mouth is so good at healing itself, rendering the procedure pointless.) I have a friend who couldn't face doing this as regularly as that, and within days the procedure had to be re-done as it is essential to do it to make the snip permanent. My long winded point is that this was not an option for us at 6 months old when my daughter had been sleeping through for months, she would no more have fed once, let alone every two hours in the night than you or I would want to! They did say I could 'weke her up to cry' instead if I wanted the procedure, but again, the idea of waking my daughter up to get her to cry every couple of hours at night when she was a good sleeper, was very unappealing. They also said that naturally, the procedure is more unpleasant for the baby the older they are = one of the reasons the cut off point for offering it is 6 months at kings - and as she was 6 months a few days after diagnosis we didn't want to put her through that, plus the night wakings etc. So perhaps there's an argument to say that if you do think you want it done, better to do it now, before your baby is in a sleep pattern that it would be very difficult to disrupt, than see how it's going in a few weeks. I have lots of tips for getting babies to take the bottle, sounds like you've tried a fair few of them but I will pm them now in case there's anything of use that you haven't tried. Good luck!

Thank you this has been so helpful! Using this technique now and going a lot better! She still resists but I think knows it is futile and is perhaps slightly less resistant today than the last two days of using it! In any case, poo isn't flying everywhere anymore so that's a major improvement!

I think Fuchsia put up a useful link about this a few weeks ago will try to resurrect it Here is the link to the page

these are worrying tidings indeed sb..! Basically between the food refusal and the nappy refusal my little one has pretty much got the day sewn up as a string of stressful interludes at the moment, joy! Good jobs she's just learnt to kiss me x

In my experience the system at Kings means you have to be given the diagnosis of TT, but then wait a few days and have to get a SECOND diagnosis - even if by the same person a few days apart, Claire Kedves or Joanne Joseph etc - before you can be referred to the clinic for the snip. The bf specialists despair of this red tape but you have to do it. Once you have been referred to the clinic you should get the procedure within days, so weirdly it is the referral process, not the waiting list at the clinic, which can often delay. I think that what others have said about it being ?90 very well spent to have the snip done privately is spot on - though I feel for you having to make the journey when still recovering. But then being at the TT clinic takes several hours so that would be a lot of hanging around in a waiting room which might be tough at the mo. Good luck and let us know how you get on! x

Oh nowwwww I get it! That sounds genius Ok, will try that at the next change, thanks! I long for the day she comes up to me with wipes and starts taking her own nappy off to be helpful, that sounds glorious!

Hi Molly, thanks for posting! I'm afraid I'm being very thick and after playing around with her on the floor still can't work out the position you mean (I always failed those visual tests in IQ tests at school...) do you mean I sit with my legs outstretched flat in a V, and then do you mean that she lies flat on the floor between my legs with her feet pointing towards me as if she were on a changing table? I don't think that's what you mean as then my thigh can't really lie across her, Or do you mean that my legs would be bent and her head would be level with my feet? sorry for being stoooopid - feel free to clarify anyone else reading this!

Thanks all! She doesn't appear to have a sore bottom but I used a lot of metanium tonight just in case she is sore but it isn't very visible..she does get very distressed even as I put her down on the table but my instinct is that it's not wipes hurting as actually when I do manage to wipe her it doesn't seem to pain her - it's also come at a time when she is increasingly upset about being dressed, putting coat on, being strapped in buggy, er...eating, basically anything which involves losing her independence for a few seconds! So think probably a developmental phase not nappy rash but will definitely keep an eye out for sore bits. Crsytal7 and Lochie thanks for that tip - I guess you mean putting your shin across the tummy rather than your thigh? Am trying to visualise as definitely worth a try! She is actually poorly at the moment so am hoping that the new heights of distress she reached today during nappy changes were partly due to that, but it has been getting worse daily so perhaps it's just a coincidence that she's poorly.. Bumpy I have exhausted my use of toys / mobiles / keys / iPhone / silly songs / as distraction - they make no difference now sadly, thought the iPhone to put in her mouth would be bribery enough but even that seems to have lost it's appeal! Spooner, you are not wrong about it being hard work when poo is flying everywhere! Found myself crawling around the room behind her as she raced around, swiping at her bottom with a wipe like a demented matador earlier..

1 episode in Karter! Loving it!

Thanks Fuchsia - money no object in this scenario - I would clothe her bottom in freshly minted tenners if it meant not going through that again..

My 11.5 month old has been increasingly unhappy about having her nappy changed (grizzling, turning over, trying to crawl off) in the last few weeks and the last few days have been in a league of their own - it just took me 45 MINUTES to change her nappy because she arched, planked, flipped over hundreds of times and screamed and sobbed. I started on the changing table and ended up on the floor but neither made any difference - she was in a frenzy because she now hates being changed so much. I actually thought after 30 mins wrestling , I would actually have to give up and not put a nappy on her but as she has diarrhea I cracked on in spite of having to hold her down while her hysteria reached fever pitch...! I really don't want to have to forcefully pin her down several times a day while she screams - and to be honest, she is so strong that even if I felt happy doing that she can still wrestle herself away so it's not even a solution - but what on earth do you do?? A bit of grizzling and resistance I'm used to but a full on kicking screaming tantrum every time? gah! Is this a phase many babies go through? does it make it any easier if you use pull ups? (can you get pulls ups in size 4?)

all very interesting - thanks all! Very interesting articles Fuchsia - my instinct has also been that height and weight will be predicted more by genetics after this initial period when other factors come into play (how efficiently they've fed, how well they've taken to solids, how soon they crawl and burn off calories etc) Sanity Girl - you're so right, next time I have a baby I am not going to get them weighed after the first couple of weeks, caused so much anxiety when she was dropping down 3 percentiles but she is 75th now so wish I'd never known how far she was 'falling' and been subject to talks from hvs about failure to thrive etc!

Well emza78, I thought so briefly! For a few days she started taking the spoon again - with us using the distraction techniques that others have posted about! But the last 2 days she has spat out all food again - though because this has included fromage frais, bananas, smoothies etc, I suspect there must be something else at play - namely teething - as even in the last few weeks when all spoon food and most finger foods have been refused - she would never normally say no to a yoghurt! Am hoping that she can be coaxed to take the spoon a bit more again, but totally prepared for the fact that she may not as have just had about 6 weeks where she would not so think the days of that are pretty numbered.... It's not that I want her to take the spoon for any other reason that than it has been such a relief to see her eating casseroles, fish, vegetables again for the last few days, in a way that she simply will not with finger foods at the moment. It was with a bit of a sinking heart today that I made toast and...penne with cheese again, sigh!

Following on from the other recent thread about baby weight gain and centiles, I've been meaning to post and ask, in the experience of those with children who are no longer babies - how much did the centiles your babies were on during, say, their first year, actually reflect what size they turned out as older children? My daughter is about to turn 1 and has been almost every centile! Born on 91st, fell to below 25th over first 7 months (exclusively bf but poor milk supply, tongue tie undiagnosed and untreated, reflux etc) and then when I started weaning her I was a bit over zealous with both milk and solid feeds for about a month, in my anxiety for her to gain weight, and she gained a BUMPER amount over a month and then gradually went back up to just over 75th. For height she is almost 91st. Does this actually really mean she is going to be very tall? Or larger build than average? I can probably answer my own question as my partner was born on 98th, I think, and is of slight build now and has been very slim since he was a young boy apparently, and I was born on 2nd, and am average build now - so it doesn't actually mean much, I'm guessing? Whenever my daughter has gone up or down the charts, there always seems to be a very obvious reason - tongue tie, stomach bugs, made her go down, and on the other hand, a bit of mummy over feeding and her recent refusal to eat anything other than bread and pasta has made her go up, in fact it seems to be very much circumstantial rather than predetermined genetically? what are other people's experiences? Are there people out there who had babies steadily on high centiles until they were 2 or whatever, and they're now one of the smallest kids in their class, and vice versa?

sanity girl Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > For Hellosailor and Kalamiphile Ben Goldacre on > homeopathy please give this a read Thank you for posting Sanity Girl - I've read this article before and it's an interesting article and well worth reading but it does nothing to change my view that people should be allowed to make up their own minds about what approach to take. My point is not that homeopathy works or doesn't work - I am not a proponent of homeopathy and do not use it to treat myself or my family - it is simply that it makes for uncomfortable reading when people simply refute or negate other people's experiences. Particularly when in a pretty patronising and aggressive manner - don't think Kalamiphle's contribution warranted her being responded to like a child.. 3 month old baby develops dry skin - family are very concerned about the poor wee baby and declare it's excema. Kid has homeopathic treatment, family are greatly soothed by the practitioner, dry skin doesn't look so scary anymore becuse the nice homeopath said it's getting better and the kid is bigger and tougher looking. I could go on, but basically just becuase the kid isn't aware of the (enourmous quantity) of scientific research, doesn't mean the sugar pills worked. Just saying... I personally don't believe in God, and there is no scientific proof to convince me that I should, but I don't sneer at people who do, and I suspect that someone starting a thread asking if anyone had any recommendations for a local church to join would not be derided in the same manner as Bobbly and Kalamiphile have been.

God knows I'm no expert and can't claim to know vast amounts about the theory behind it, but as far as I know homeopathy is not faith based, it follows the principle that certain plants, minerals, extracts, have medicinal properties, which is surely centuries old and the foundation of modern medicine? I assume that no-one who so vehemently dismisses it had ever, for instance, given their baby teething granules (homeopathy)? I realise I'm coming across like I am pro homeopathy - I'm actually neither 'for' or 'against' it - just interested in the way it divides people on here etc

Saffron Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Kalamiphile, Kes is correct. The effect is not > from homeopathy itself. Homeopathy itself has no > effect. It's perceived effect is either > coincidence, or placebo by proxy. > > If your child is unwell, it's understandable that > you want to try anything that will make him/her > well again, but don't let that insecurity make you > blind to the truth. I'm hesitating in adding to this thread as don't really want to get involved in a 'does homeopathy have any effect' debate, (I do not treat myself or my family homeopathically so have no particular vested interest in defending it) plus Saffron I almost always agree with your posts in most threads so I genuinely don't mean to be combative, but I would say, I find it uncomfortable reading when people post with absolute authority, what is essentially their own opinion. I would find this equally true if someone was posting to say that homeopathy was unquestionably effective and putting your faith in conventional medicine made you 'blind to the truth.' (a feeling shared by a large amount of people, which in turn, doesn't make them right..) It is not the truth, it is your truth. There are often threads on the forum about treatments or approaches that divide people - cranial osteopathty, amber necklaces, etc, People can make up their own minds about this, as all things, and I think we perhaps have to be careful about just telling others that their approach is wrong, as fact when what we essentially means is 'I personally feel that your approach is wrong.' Presumably those who feel that homeopathy has been successful in treating ailments would also extol its effectiveness with the absolute certainty with which saffron dismisses it, and this would in no way make it fact either?

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If that mumsnet post is genuine it is GOLD.

Thanks Sophie, will try!

Swagstar there is some useful advice from others on the thread I started a few posts up about my 11 month old's food refusal, you're not alone!

Thanks js33, will try pancakes tomorrow! Did actually order her pancakes in BLue Mountain earlier this week but... Surprise surprise she didn't want them! will try again tomorrow cos they are a really good idea I'm hoping teething may have a part to play, certainly in the milk reduction if not the overnight change in eating habits, though the eating stuff has been weeks now without any variance so guess likely to be developmental rather than teeth, but one can always hope!

Hi snowboarder! I can't report any particular light at the end of the tunnel here yet, mini sailor is now cutting back on milk as well as refusing spoon and most finger foods, so am at a bit of a loss, I literally have to offer her the same few foods at every meal now and just hope she'll have a few mouthfuls Toast cheese Penne with grated cheese fruit Yoghurt That's basically it, she sobbed with hunger this afternoon but still only had a few mouthfuls of food at tea and 3oz milk instead of 7oz at bedtime. soooo frustrating. Can't quite bear to give away the SIXTY pots of all the the home made favourites she used to snaffle which currently languish in our freezer but will have to soon....it's been like this for weeks so feel like the toast-only-diet is here to stay. Gaaaaaaah! Trying to keep a sense of humour about it but not feeling too buoyant about it today, I wouldn't mind that she had become an overnight spoon refuser if she was more interested in finger foods, but she just isn't, and yet she is clearly very upset and hungry at times having refused food! Doh!