Santerme

isham bracey Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It's very sad and I don't normally comment but > this example of the ignorance of some children > (young adults?) has to be a reflection of their > parents and upbringing. Thick, stupid, waste of > time, they (and us) would be better off if they > were conscripted in to the army. There, I've > become my father, but that is what I now believe. > To use an old fashioned term they and their > parents should be thoroughly ashamed (but none of > them will be reading this). I had to giggle at this. The army is not reform school and it's strength lies in it being of a volunteer nature. Scrotes not required!

schonrocks Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks to all those who have expressed their > support on this thread. > > We got sick of being holed up in the house. 4 > small kids in 4 walls is not fun after a while. > > Some stuff for you to tear apart: > > http://schonrocks.com/ > > Gillian & Oliver Schonrock Well to me that comes across like a thesis. Beautifully constructed and well written with supporting evidence...very clinical. I'll take my common sense approach over that every time.

Or car bumpers are more accident friendly!

The one constant in all this is allowing an eight year old child to supervise a much younger child. It is patently stupid.

Sorry old chap, just asked the Sheik to do a quick fly over so I could point out where I was brought up... We will go back over Tulse Hill, so I can show him where my old school used to be and frighten the inhabitants of Streatham instead.

I say, it's their children and if these people want to begin an experiment in social engineering with them let them. I have two (teenage now) girls who are extremely well balanced both on and off bikes...and have developed this way without me or my wife presenting them with undue danger or risk. An eight year old supervising a five year old is nonsense, pure and simple.

184 or 176 from the Elephant and Castle to DKH School from about the age of 8 on my own...plus walking from the now defunct or redesigned Dante Road under the underpasses to get to the bus and home again. But 5 years old, on a bicycle in London today is a little too young. In my humble opinion.

Those were the days MM ?10 space available to fly crab air to Washington on a NATO travel warrant. Which if you had a drawer full........................

My wife had her passport stolen in Italy last year. She has a Canadian passport.... It involved a trip from Florence to Rome, a five day wait for relevant checks by the Canadian authorities and about $300 in fees. But on the up side, she had not been to Rome before and I was able to send her money by Western Union so she had an extended holiday effectively. Might be easier as an EU national. Hope you get it sorted.

Ianr....I fear I am a barrack room lawyer in this respect. I have been having this discussion elsewhere. It is my belief that courts will bend over backwards to find that Human Rights have not, in fact, been violated. On the odd occasion that they do, the law found in violation continues to apply until Parliament amends the law which it is often not inclined to do. A contemporary example. In September 2003 an 'Arms Fair' took place in London's docklands. The Police used Section 44 Terrorism Act 2000 against those who legitimately protested against the holding of the Arms Fair. In fact, the Police regularly use section 44 to stop and search just about anyone and some concern was expressed that these stop and search powers were both disproportionate and were being applied directly against anyone who expressed dissent over government policy. Indeed, Walter Wolfgang, ejected for heckling Jack Straw was a victim of the powers used by the Police using section 44 Terrorism Act. In his reports for 2005, 2006, 2007 and 2008, Lord Carlile, the government appointed independent reviewer of into operations under the 2002 Act expressed concern that these powers, intended to combat the threat of terrorism were being increasingly abused. He was ignored by the Government. Two of those who had been stopped under section 44 took the governnment to Court on the grounds that the powers were being used ultra vires the intention of Parliament to stifle the freedom of expression under Article 8 of the Convention. The High Court, The Court of Appeal and the House of Lords all dismissed the applicants arguments advanced under the Human Rights Act. Not to be deterred, the two individuals took their case to the European Court of Human Rights in Gillan and Quinton v United Kingdom which was handed down on 12th January 2010. If your attention span is up to it, it is actually worth reading. Unsurprisingly, the court, even taking into consideration the large 'margin of appreciation' traditionally allowed to signatory states, emphatically denounced the United Kingdom and found unanimously, a breach of Article 8. It demonstrates the undue deference our courts accord the government in cases under the Human Rights Act and their reluctance even within the limited powers they have under it, to find the government in default. They do so, only in extreme circumstances in order to avoid a constitutional clash with the government. A Bill of Rights is undeniably a better solution.

I think that there are quite a few who have absolutely no idea whatsoever how the Human Rights Act 1998 actually works. It is held up as a token. What is often the case is that the rights incorporated under section 1 of the Act give the court no power other than to make a declaration of incompatibility with Human Rights and no power whatsoever to disapply the law found in confict. Such judicial declarations are extremely rare.

taper Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Lazy hyperbole, Santerme, whatever you think of > them. Doesn't do a great deal for your argument. > Beneath one of the most astute people on the > Forum. I stand rightly chastised...

Actually, I modify my position on HRA 1998, either it ought to be strenghtened to be effective or abolished... It is a triumph of form over substance since it creates the illusion that your rights are actually protected! You will find that a matter of practical reality, that if you look closely enough, the Act does no such thing!

taper Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > "ZaNu Labour" > > Oh dear. Do you have an issue you would like to discuss, or just make unilluminating comments?

Totally agree MM We had zero participation this last, seemingly endless, number of years and now we have a complete nanny state, overseen by ZaNu Labour, who eroded freedoms and passed legislation much of which needs root and branch demolition.

I refer to the answers I gave 'in another place'.....

NuLab must hold the record for the amount of new legislation entered onto the UK's statute Book, most of it inspired by Brussels - all of it administratively expensive and of little value to us. Now we get to vote on what to repeal.....here goes Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act. Unless I'm missing some glaring reason that the local district council should be able to view my internet activities. Human Rights Act The Legislative and Regulatory Reform Act....a wonderful piece of political craftmanship which is actually akin to the Enabling Act in Germany in 1933 as it allows the Govt to create law without it passing through both Houses of Parliament. Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994...denies the right to silence effectively. Crime and Security Act 2010....... allows, inter alia the Police to take fingerprints without your consent in respect of a mere caution! Anti-Slavery Day Act 2010 The Anti-Slavery Day Act 2010 has to represent the nadir of New Labour?s politically-correct legislative agenda! Since 'slavery' is defined under section 1(3) as including inter alia 'domestic servitude', it leaves open the possibility that marches and demonstrations in protest of poor pay and conditions' by Trade Unions and others may now legitimately be described as 'celebrations' in respect of 'anti-slavery' day!

eater81 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It sickens me that this wretch has tried her scam > in front of poor innocent children. For those > parents who wish to bring their children up in > peace and away from such foul elements of society, > there is only one solution. Move out of this > vermin infested city! > > No matter how many hundreds of thousands of pounds > you pay for your detached house with garden in > Dulwich, you will still be plagued by scum like > this plying their deceptive and immoral trade on > your doorstep. What kind of foul being picks their > festering scabs in order to beg others for a few > quid? > > By all accounts it seems like this particular > piece of filth does not have long for this world. > Another life wasted. Please don't come to Dorchester, we have all the bigots we can handle here!

Tarot Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The English flag of St George, is not going to go > away,It is our flag and has been for centuries.I,m > sick of people who try to demonise, and insult it. > It is the symbol of the English country, like it > or lump it. Wasn't it originally the symbol of the Swabian League and therefore essentially German?

Kidneypunch! Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > santerme > You obviously have nothing better to do, this is > supposed to be a forum for sensible discussion for > sensible up standing people ! Yet all you seem to > do is pick on peoples technical errors in the > messages. It is that sort of attitude that i > believe is indicative of the moral decline of this > nation.... ...?

Kidneypunch! Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Santerme > > It i'snt a question though, it was a statement ? Whatever!?!?

Kidneypunch! Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > So delicate, as to be almost as imperceptible as > it was irrelevant ? Three as's in the same sentence, tsk tsk! Then form it as a question....

Delicately nuanced irony!

Oh dear I suspect you totally missed the point of my reply....

Kidneypunch! Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I realise that there was football on yesterday & > it meant a lot to people, but I was shocked last > night when walking down Overhill Road around 3am > to hear what can only be described as a debauched > party going on, on the ground floor of one of the > houses over the brow of the hill. It would appear > these people had no consideration for others, as > peels of laughter & shouting came from the open > window, with loud music being played! I stopped > for a moment to see people dancing in their front > room, but moved off quickly as I feared any > comment on my part may be encouraging some sort of > aggressive response ! > I was in two minds whether to call the police, > but choose not due to the general feelings of > disappointment that was in the air over the > England game, and put it down to this, though none > of them sounded disappointed. I feel this sort of > behaviour is indicative of the moral decline of > our nation & I wondered if these crazed drugged up > lunatics did not have some sort of job to go to > Monday morning ! A very sad day both for the > Nation & for Overhill Rd. Technically, it was not last night but early this morning!