Santerme

I agree, the surface fleet would need a rethink (being armed would be nice). And the idea of removing from service the best ASW platform in the world by ditching, no pun intended, Nimrod is farcial. The FA-18 would push up the already huge cost of CVF again. I was sharing a glass of wine with the Programme Controller for the Merlin last night and she thought about a further ?3 billion just to hit the in service schedule and that is with going with steam catapults. Far too expensive to go with electromagnetic, we would need the same amount of complex integration work, all those high frequency high voltage things flying around. We might go with the US system, which is designed for a US aircraft carrier or we might ask Converteam to scale up their very smart models to a production capable unit. The other alternative would be a ski ramp. The FA-18 can take off in a much shortened distance using this method, although it is at the price of payload.

I love my Priusssssssssssssssssssssssss, there stopped it.

peckhamasbestos Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > sort of read this thread. Objectors, are you mad, > where do you think you live. this place is > blisfull, we're in the metropolis. > > i suggest you all try a few nights in; > > reading > leicester > doncaster > truro > coventry > > wise up, a bit of piss on the street isn't the end > of the world. > > (i live just of LSL and don't know what you are on > about) > > pa! Weymouth in the summer, and alas even Dorchester now we have two extended hours places to get ****faced until the early hours. However, in Cerne Abbas, we are insulated from this and are all safely tucked up in bed by midnight.

Our very own Joe the Plumber..

Looks like RN are going to equip with FA-18F instead of JSF. Makes sense every FA-18 has been delivered on time and on budget and the two carriers are capable of operating the airframe. FA-18 is currently thought to match peer threats out to 2035. Let's hope BAe don't throw their dummy out of the pram!

SimonM Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > But are they locally sourced?? Ruskin Park?

expat Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > >if you give up the ultimate strategic weapons > system in your arsenal, you are disarming > yourself. > So all the counties without nuclear weapons are > disarmed? > > Who is England going to deter with the nuclear > weapons?

I'm sorry, but in my book, if you give up the ultimate strategic weapons system in your arsenal, you are disarming yourself. As for an impact on non nuclear forces, yes there will be an impact. The RAF are already saying they ae willing to give up the Nimrod programme to save their fast jets...something I think is particularly silly But the money is going to have to be juggled a little more creatively in these times of imposed austerity. We all know the best way out of a recession is to cut spending, because we learned so well from the 1930's Sarcasm off.

I think we used to fight them on a Wednesday!

Bring back the day's of the bookies runners...my father used to do that for people on Quorn Road.. Then they opened the Gus Ashe down the end of, I think it was Pytchley Road, and it was the end of an era!

National security is the foremost responsibility of any British Govt, all else is subsidiary to that. We gambled with disarmament in the past at our peril.

Which of us are able to predict what the world will look like in 50 years? time, because that is what you have to be able to do if you advocate unilateral nuclear disarmament. Making these assumptions about the future nature of armed conflict is a perilous business. There is no one with any kind of decent track record on this issue. Predicting that the era of high intensity state-on-state warfare is gone for good ? is a dangerous fallacy. No-one knows which enemies might confront us during the next thirty to fifty years, but it is highly probable that at least some of them will be armed with weapons of mass destruction. Trident accounts for 0.1% of GDP over the lifetime of the project. It preserves our shipbuilding skills and the vast majority of the money spent remains in the UK with British manufacturers because of the nature of the work.

TheGreatErnie Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > That the people of the East Dulwich forum seem to > be a little obsessive about little things in life? You ever play Bournemouth Pier in the mid Seventies?

Take his cones and put them in your own space Job done!

Whips out mobile...oops mugged too!

Cole Porter Joni Mitchell Dylan, as long as someone else sings Tim Rice Springsteen Alain Boublil and Herbert Kretzmer who did Les Miserables

To keep the dippy git out.

It's ?350K if he can finish inside ten minutes.

Stood behind someone with a barcode tattoo at Sainsbury's self serve checkout the other day. He was mystified why Arsehole kept coming up on the till screen.

I can remember the days it was considered safe to have a moat running round your village

isham bracey Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Santerme wrote: "The army is not reform school and > it's strength lies in it being of a volunteer > nature" > > Conscription in a time of War can make a > difference between victory and defeat. National > Service in peace time can add value to society and > offer a rout out of ignorance and poverty. Hanging > around the streets beating up innocent civilians > doesn't contribute to either. > > Colonel chips wrote: "First of all, it is awful > that someone has been mugged. But we live in a > very safe area, at a time when, nationally, just > about every crime is at a historical low. The most > pervasive way in which crime affects society is > through the way in which these stories are > reported and the discussions afterward which > perpetuate the idea that there is a mugger on > every street corner and that 'the rap music' is > turning youths feral. And to suggest that music > will turn someone into a mugger is an easy way to > ignore the hundreds of other more powerful > influences on a child, particularly parenting. > > It is awful that someone has been mugged, but you > could find exactly the same stories in newspapers > forty years ago and you would just need to change > 'hoody' for 'mod'". > > > Poppycock! This is not a very safe area and anyone > who's lived outside London (or even in many other > parts of London) will confirm this for you. DJKQ > is right. There is a new phenomenon of agrevious > violence for the sake of it and it's seen as > fashionable. I'm afraid that we need to get > realistic and confront this with harder law > enforcement AND enforced service to society, old > fashioned but I don't mind that really. Conscription happened in 1916 when we started to run out of men. It is a bit of an obvious statement that in time of War, and that is Total War mobilisation of civilians into the armed forces is required. But we are not in that situaton. It is worth repeating that the armed forces are a professional force of volunteers that is the strength of the edifice. And having graduated Sandhurst in 1983 and served almost 23 years it is a subject I am qualified to discuss....and am fairly unappreciative of the scrote thug comment as well. Having grown up in Sixties Dulwich, the tribal necessity to fight came down to which estate you were from.... It was not serious violence but it was there. Then having been sent to boarding school, where bullying, both physical and psychological was an art form...I was parachuted into the Beirut of secondary education, Tulse Hill in the mid Seventies....that was just mayhem....gang against gang and anyone met outside the school gates with a different uniform were considered fair game. Then we have the tribal football culture in the same period... If anything I would say the actual level of violence is less now, just more publicised.

stevebailey Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > So someone talking about their experience of being > mugged, how it affected them, whether the mugger > was caught, if they were punished, gives you no > insight in to how someone reacts to being > mugged???? > > Yet a fictitious storyline does.............. > > Say no more! ......Squire, nod, nod, wink, wink!!!

In the velodrome of discussion we have come off the high bank of boredom and entered the final straight of ennui with this thread!

Horsebox Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Scrotes make up the backbone of UK armed forces. > Try going for a night out in Winchester without > running into a thug squaddie. Oh ok, I will defer to your greater knowledge!

Lara Fabian