Brendan

Stop looking for definites grasshopper. There aren?t any.* *Or perhaps there are. Who knows?

See Huguenot gets it. The reason I say the Science/Religion debate is pointless is because in my point of view and I think most people?s, science won ages ago. It may hold some socio-political credence for ill-informed communities in places like America but has little value in a discussion on the nature of knowledge and the human experience of the universe.

May I suggest central Johannesburg CWALD, or perhaps Nairobi?

dc Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Actually, I don't think he was saying that it is > up to a new set of politicians to take on the > burden that he, rightly after a lifetime of > struggle, deserves to be relieved of. I think he > was saying that it is for all of us, Yes, that's what I implied wasn't it? We're the ones who elect politicians. We're also the ones who think it is "ok" for people's to be dishonest and self serving in business, because "that's what it takes to be successful" or who shrug when politicians go back on their word, "because politicians do that" We don?t put up with dishonest, self-serving behaviour amongst out friends and family. Why the hell should we allow those protected by power and money to get away with it? Anyway reading over that post again this morning I?m really rather proud of how free it is of spelling mistakes considering how inebriated I was at ten to midnight last night.

On a rare Friday night in I have been lucky enough to watch The Nelson Mandela birthday gig on the telly. More specifically to hear his very moving speech (the man has always been a great orator). As a South African, who was just about old enough to become politically aware around about the same time as our country started changing and Mandela was released from prison, I have always considered myself as one of Mandela?s generation, a new generation, doing things in a different way for a better future*. Consequently, typical to South African idiosyncrasy I suppose, I have also always felt a bit protective over what he stands for. Because of this the deification of the man by a bunch of molly-coddled first world liberals has always left a bad taste in my mouth. But as I get older I can see the value in things like tonight?s event as they can bring ideas forward to people who may not have been receptive to them before (well except razorlight. What was that bout?). Even if sometimes it does seem like it?s just stroking some pop star?s bono. Tonight I watched an old man, wizened but not weakened with age pass a message on. A man of high birth and high education, a professional who could have ignored the problems of his times but chose to selflessly suffer for his principles. He was rewarded with the highest honour for his fight and still did not succumb to any of the temptations of power. The only and I say this unreservedly, principled politician to grace the English speaking worlds in our lifetimes (I can?t speak for Asia, Europe and Latin America) His message tonight was one imploring us to take responsibility of our future; ?it's time for new hands to lift the burdens. It's in your hands now, I thank you." A message which had no political agenda but merely asked that the people who come after him will not be the same set of bastards as those who came before. Please let people take note and no longer countenance the liars, thieves, fascist and self serving career politicians who continue to worm their way into power through privilege and ideology. Please for the love of god please. * Ironically I have landed up settled in a foreign country seemingly helpless to influence the land I love but hopefully I can still use the lessons I learnt from my formative years positively in the universe I now inhabit. (Sorry, this post may be a bit sentimental and maybe I?ve had too much wine but some things just have to be said and the rag I write for in the real world won?t publish my real thoughts.)

Every Friday night in Croydon isn't it?

I will too give them a chance. I frequent many places of similar ilk. I?m just indulging in melancholic despondency at the nature of the world.

Yep. Clapham type bar. Sadly replacing a true gem but what can you do? The idea like most things is soulless and unoriginal, like most of humanity I suppose. But hey, may as well blame the sky for being blue.

Sorry don?t mean to be flippant, just voicing my disdain for commercial music.

balls

bump bump bumpitty bump. Just under a month to go so apply yourselves to those diaries folks.

Next forum drinks at the Fox on the Hill folks? These be dark times indeed.

Makes it almost cheaper to go and enjoy a bottle of good wine in Green and Blue than it is to go have a few pints down the pub.

Following on from D_C's post re. the CPT. I think this warrants its own thread. The Fair Pint Campaign Supporting tied landlords and consumers 24,000 of Britain?s pubs are tied to PubCos. Even though tied landlords can buy cheaper beer - they are tied to the PubCos for their supply. ?Tied pub landlords must buy all of their beer and some other supplies from the PubCo. ?Consequently the consumer is usually paying a significanly inflated price for a pint of beer, and tied pub landlords are being forced to sell beer at a loss. ?Around 27 pubs a week - just under four a day - are closing Write to Tessa.

::o Blimey. 9 quid got me 3 pints of Guiness last I was in.

Will you guys all please give your addresses and the location of your cars to the local criminal fraternity. That way they can happily ply their trade without having to go to all the effort of breaking windows etc. It will save an awful lot of time and money.

Anyway, so, after cutting ties with Zimbabwe it seems English cricket has decided that there is no longer any need whatsoever for political correctness. They have therefore handed Paul Collingwood a 4 match ban for being both Northern and a ginger and gone and given the captaincy to a South African and a Boer no the less. Kevin Peitersen had this to say about it, "To be asked to captain your country is the ultimate honour in sport and I feel privileged and proud.? I wonder if Graeme Smith knows he has lost his job. Ps. The author takes no responsibility for any blatant inaccuracies in or offence caused by this post. Not that anyone ever reads this thread anyway. So there.

Yoda? Is that you?

*Not to be outdone, strides in, in Daisy Duke shorts* Wotcha folks.

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Yeah it seems to have just kinda taken that route though. Although I must say I have never had a woman try to hump me on a dancefloor. Or a man for that matter. I must be going to the wrong clubs. (In reply to anna 2 posts back)

Cheese-it lads it's the fuzz! *Watches as inhabitants dive into hiding behing wagon wheels and cacti.* Fluffy? Is that you? Don't look now but I think your owner's wearing his getting lucky shirt.

See my previous comment re. respect for women.

Bummer. Why can't they just keep the old staff on or are there some grand plans for the place? Or is it some big pub-co taking over who will intall waitrons and bartrons to sell overpriced beer and prefabricated food? Anyway I wonder if they will have opened up again by 26 July and wil still be serving pizza for a certain pub crawl that is happening.

wots 'n laid shirt?