Le Chardon sold

[Alan Medic]

Just wondering. If you have to trek somewhere to support a business, can it really be local?

[Peckhampam]

Good point Alan Medic

[Louisa]

It's hardly a trek walking to Nunhead, unless you're incredibly lazy. I have joint problems and yet I can manage the walk to Nunhead. 20 minutes it takes me, as a round trip 40 mins. That's hardly a mission. Burns off some of what I'll be eating.

Louisa.

[Louisa]

I also agree with the point Foxy makes. Some people will of course queue on a Saturday because they're busy working during the week, for a local butcher or baker or whatever. Others, like those at Christmas, will queue outside a cheesemongers so they can be seen doing it. It's this sort of selective shopping, doing something to get some weird kick out of it, thats what infuriates some of us so much.

People who go somewhere to be seen doing it are not really supporting local businesses, they go along in the infancy stage of the new venture, come on here boring us all with posts about how amazing their experience is, then rarely if ever return and the business goes down the plug hole. It's a sort of strange retail voyeurism.

Louisa.

[JoeLeg]

There's a world of difference between "to be seen doing it" and trying out somewhere new that you might never visit again for whatever reason.

I personally doubt that many people go somewhere just to be seen doing it, especially at Christmas when we all have more important things than being seen by people who don't know us buyimg cheese.

I'd be interesting to know if there's any proof that folk do that?

[Sue]

JoeLeg Wrote:

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>

> I'd be interesting to know if there's any proof

> that folk do that?

Louisa doesn't have any proof for any of the crap she posts.

She just likes, metaphorically speaking, poking a bear with a stick.

So she will say that people sit in windows to be seen, rather than to see out.

And people queue for cheese to be seen, rather than to buy cheese.

And people go to a new place, post their opinions on here (sorry, "bore us all with posts about how amazing their experience is") and then "rarely if ever return."

Would you like to provide some evidence for any of these risible statements, Louisa?

[Louisa]

JoeLeg Wrote:

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> There's a world of difference between "to be seen

> doing it" and trying out somewhere new that you

> might never visit again for whatever reason.

>

> I personally doubt that many people go somewhere

> just to be seen doing it, especially at Christmas

> when we all have more important things than being

> seen by people who don't know us buyimg cheese.

>

> I'd be interesting to know if there's any proof

> that folk do that?

I'm sure there is plenty of evidence of people wanting to be seen doing something for purposes of snobbery or 'keeping up with the jones's'. That's all well and good, but the sad reality is these businesses need more than a wing and prayer for survival. Is great someone decides to go along on the opening week, and posts about it on here. But did they go back? If not why not?

I've been using various local businesses for donkeys years and I've not felt the need to come on here bragging about all of them. But then, these businessses are still in operation, and yet many of the ones the 'be seen doing it' crowd like to bang on about initially, aren't in business any longer. That's a sad truth for many small firms. Put your money where your mouth is, drop the bs and just shop without bragging to everyone else about it on opening week.

Louisa.

[Louisa]

Sue Wrote:

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> JoeLeg Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

>

> >

> > I'd be interesting to know if there's any proof

> > that folk do that?

>

>

> Louisa doesn't have any proof for any of the crap

> she posts.

>

> She just likes, metaphorically speaking, poking a

> bear with a stick.

>

> So she will say that people sit in windows to be

> seen, rather than to see out.

>

> And people queue for cheese to be seen, rather

> than to buy cheese.

>

> And people go to a new place, post their opinions

> on here (sorry, "bore us all with posts about how

> amazing their experience is") and then "rarely if

> ever return."

>

> Would you like to provide some evidence for any of

> these risible statements, Louisa?

Sue you know full well that this isn't made up. Lots of people go out of their way to perpetuate some sort of lifestyle, much as many social media types do with Facebook and such like, by going into a venue then coming on here to talk about it. It makes them appear popular. But my point is, how is this helpful for a long term business venture? Is this sort of retail voyuerism helpful to them in the long term? I think not.

Louisa.

[XIX]

Louisa Wrote:

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> I also agree with the point Foxy makes. Some

> people will of course queue on a Saturday because

> they're busy working during the week, for a local

> butcher or baker or whatever. Others, like those

> at Christmas, will queue outside a cheesemongers

> so they can be seen doing it. It's this sort of

> selective shopping, doing something to get some

> weird kick out of it, thats what infuriates some

> of us so much.

>

> People who go somewhere to be seen doing it are

> not really supporting local businesses, they go

> along in the infancy stage of the new venture,

> come on here boring us all with posts about how

> amazing their experience is, then rarely if ever

> return and the business goes down the plug hole.

> It's a sort of strange retail voyeurism.

>

> Louisa.

[yawn]

Utter utter drivel.

[Louisa]

XIX, says you who makes no valid attempt at a rebuttal. Very yawn.

Louisa.

[ruffers]

Do people who can afford Tart but go to Ayres just do it so they can be seen to be shopping there?

[Sue]

Louisa Wrote:

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> Sue you know full well that this isn't made up.

> Lots of people go out of their way to perpetuate

> some sort of lifestyle, much as many social media

> types do with Facebook and such like, by going

> into a venue then coming on here to talk about it.

> It makes them appear popular. But my point is, how

> is this helpful for a long term business venture?

> Is this sort of retail voyuerism helpful to them

> in the long term? I think not.

>

I said evidence.

You know. Actual proven facts which back up your ridiculous statements.

You don't have any, do you?

Isn't it time admin banished you back to the lounge again?

Because it can't be just me who is tired of reading this tedious crap.

[Louisa]

Isn't it interesting how you can't have a proper debate, every single time you have to go back to below the belt goading with me don't you? Stir things up with admin by trying to get me banned whilst completely ignoring the argument I am making and then forcing this thread off topic. Well I'm not playing that game, sorry to disappoint you.

Louisa.

[JoeLeg]

Ok, fair enough, but to put it into context I got pulled up quite reasonably a couple of days ago for posting something which I am sure is true, but to others it was hearsay.

Your assertions that people go places in ED just to be seen there seems to me not to be very different. You believe that it happens, which is your right, but there's precious little evidence.

[XIX]

Louisa Wrote:

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> XIX, says you who makes no valid attempt at a

> rebuttal. Very yawn.

>

> Louisa.

Ye god. I shouldn't be doing this. I should just walk away.

You've literally just asserted that people join the queue outside the cheese-shop at Christmas in order to be seen to be doing it. Much like you once said that middle-class mums deliberately stand in your way on the pavement with their buggies to make themselves feel good at your expense (as opposed to just not realising or being absent-minded or something which is what reasonable people would deduce of their motivation).

Seen by who? the big issue seller? its not like its an exclusive destination. I literally cannot imagine one person in ED walking past the queue and thinking 'ooooh, I just saw sarah in the queue, she must be amazing/important/cool'.

The reason people queue outside the cheese shop at Christmas is because it is busy inside because lots of people eat cheese at christmas, and until recently it was the only specialist cheese shop on lordship lane, and you have to wait to take your turn to be served. Not because they want to queue outside a cheese shop for effect.

And if as you say people wanted to use these places so they could put a post on instagram or whatever to make themselves look cool, why wouldn't they do it on a rainy Tuesday morning when they can walk straight in, take a photo of a slice of stinking bishop or whatever, and then go? Why would they go out of their way to inconvenience themselves by waiting?

We all know why. Because its not true. Its nonsense. Nonsense that fits your usual agenda/prejudices.

But its not the first time you've said something foundless. and I've no doubt it won't be the last.

and I should never have written this post. and I'm sorry to everyone else for perpetuating this thread even further. That's me done.

[Louisa]

JoeLeg, I agree. I have no firm evidence, but I'm pretty sure it would be incredibly difficult to find proof because many people who do this, probably aren't aware or would be willing to own up to it. So how do we find evidence? I can only go on personal experiences, I've seen and heard things. Again, this isn't full proof but it's the best I can offer at this stage in proceedings. I don't mind being pulled up on anything, I'm more than happy to hold my hands in the air and have done so in the last few weeks. But when someone opportunistically goads you and tries to bring admin in, it's offensive.

Louisa.

[DaveR]

"I can only go on personal experiences, I've seen and heard things."

????

Overheard in the queue outside William Rose:

"Darling, this queue is the only place to be seen! I just need to pick up a pork pie then I'm off to Boujis!"

Overheard at Meat Liquor:

"I know the burgers are better from the van with the slightly unhealthy looking man inside, but if I don't spend at least ?12 I won't be able to show my face at Soho House."

[DK_87]

This is the most obscene example of a thread hi-jack I've ever seen... really remarkable stuff

Le Chardon was great, hopefully Tart will be great as well. The tarts in Tart Clapham are delightful. I look forward to another addition to the Lane :)

I <3 #KeyboardWarriors

[DulwichFox]

I have not suggested in this thread people queue to be seen.

My point was about the panic that sets in when any new outlet opens.

May I just say something about comments aimed at Louisa.

Louisa never sets out to insult and belittle other posters. Unlike some on here. You know who you are.

Foxy.

[ruffers]

Louisa Wrote:

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> JoeLeg, I agree. I have no firm evidence, but I'm

> pretty sure it would be incredibly difficult to

> find proof because many people who do this,

> probably aren't aware or would be willing to own

> up to it. So how do we find evidence? I can only

> go on personal experiences, I've seen and heard

> things. Again, this isn't full proof but it's the

> best I can offer at this stage in proceedings. I

> don't mind being pulled up on anything, I'm more

> than happy to hold my hands in the air and have

> done so in the last few weeks. But when someone

> opportunistically goads you and tries to bring

> admin in, it's offensive.

>

> Louisa.

OK, now I'm curious. You clearly believe the queuing to be seen theory as you repeat it so often, so what things have you heard that make you come to your conclusions?

Thanks

[JoeLeg]

DulwichFox Wrote

>

> May I just say something about comments aimed at

> Louisa.

>

> Louisa never sets out to insult and belittle

> other posters. Unlike some on here. You know who

> you are.

>

> Foxy.

Louisa also isn't shy about voicing controversial opinions either, not all of which are easy to back up.

[KidKruger]

I recently saw Sue's partner at the bus stop by the Co-Op. Athough I realise he was just standing there to be seen doing the cool bus thing and everything I did stop to say hi, but if I'm totally honest I was sort of hoping some of the cool would rub-off on me, by association. I think it worked, because my neighbour when I scrounged a couple of onions yesterday (to be cool, in kind of "hey, I cook, y'know" way) said she'd seen me at the bus stop and thought it was really cool of me. I felt a bit embarrassed, because I thought the guy I stopped to talk to would get the full coolness brownie points quota, not me - but then I realised my neighbour probably doesn't know him, therefore I got the cool association by default.

I feel really great now, like I'm recognised as a somebody in the community and stuff.

[KidKruger]

Hysterical and Frenzied Mob.

[Sue]

DulwichFox Wrote:

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>

> May I just say something about comments aimed at

> Louisa.

>

> Louisa never sets out to insult and belittle

> other posters. Unlike some on here. You know who

> you are.

>

I have not seen any personal insults aimed at Louisa.

I have seen posts suggesting that many of Louisa's comments are not based on fact, and indeed not based on anything apart from her own prejudices, and that this is getting very tiring.

[Administrator]

Where on earth is this thread going?