ChavWivaLawDegree Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 What is really wierd is that Simon Hughes has been all over the telly since Mr Cambell resigned, and if he becomes leader of the Lib Dems, I'm going to be standing against a leader of a major-ish party in the next election!! I'm all excited!I hope Simon Hughes wins the forthcoming leadership contest. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1715-ming-has-gone/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesusCappuccino Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 . Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1715-ming-has-gone/#findComment-47518 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonM Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 I remember that 1983 campaign. Hughes was a beneficiary rather than an instigator or active supporter of the repugnant homophobic smear campaign against the Labour candidate, one Peter Tatchell (what became of him? :)). The canpaign was "masterminded" by assorted "old" Labour diehards like Bob Melchett. Hughes did not exactly cover himself with glory at the time but politics is a dirty business innit? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1715-ming-has-gone/#findComment-47520 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChavWivaLawDegree Posted October 15, 2007 Author Share Posted October 15, 2007 Yes it was against Peter Tatchell, and was really dirty. He has since joined the Green Party and is standing in Oxford. He stands a chance of getting in too.I doubt Mr Hughes will become leader, but it would be wierd for me if he did because I might get more opportunity to soap-box purely by standing against him as a lowly Green candidate in his elevated position.I'm feeling a bit starstruck!! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1715-ming-has-gone/#findComment-47521 Share on other sites More sharing options...
reggie Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 Ming is now.... on the wingWho wanted a minging leader anyway Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1715-ming-has-gone/#findComment-47524 Share on other sites More sharing options...
downsouth Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 As I was growing up in the Bermondsey Simon Hughes first became an MP for the area. His opportunistic and scaremongering (BNP-lite) may have endearded himself to some in the area but definitley not me - I can't stand the man. Only since he achieved a national reputation - a momemnt I deplored - did he suddenly become an MP for all. He is all about power, worse so than other politicians especially seeing the Lib Dems are hardly going to get into power. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1715-ming-has-gone/#findComment-47527 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmora Man Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 I first became involved in politics when a girlfriend asked me to help her campaign for Simon Hughes in '83. Simon Hughes wasn't merely a beneficiary of the homophobic politicking - almost the entire Liberal party of the area were involved. The campaign was perhaops one of the first to be run on personality rather than political argument. The experience helped me learn to dislike the Liberals / Lib Dems as opportunistic hypocrites and see other organised political parties as much the same. It pushed me toward my libertarian / individual knows best view of politics. Didn't stick with the girlfriend either.The Lib Dems have been for some while an irrelevance in politics - despite their current numbers in parliament. There was a time when their less extreme ideas swayed political thinking - but that's not been the case for some while. They'll never die out but they may return to being a genuine "third party" with < 10 MPs as they were through most of the 70's & 80's. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1715-ming-has-gone/#findComment-47541 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanMacGabhann Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 MM - there us much truth in what you say there. The one defence I would put up for the Liberals/Lib-Dems is that, by necessity they are required to be opportunistic given the current voting system. If you led a third party with equivalent support levels and with whatever policies you choose, you would be negligent if you didn't engage in a degree of Machiavellian politicsActually I've thought of another defence of them - they aren't either of the two main parties(yes, yes overly simplistic I know - but no less true for that) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1715-ming-has-gone/#findComment-47549 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Palaeologus Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 I dont this that Simon Hughes is even a contender. Too much water under the bridge. They will look for newer face free of baggage. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1715-ming-has-gone/#findComment-47552 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Bob* Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 Hughes has already declared himself out, has he not?He could have made it - had he not accidentally tripped and fallen open-mouthed onto a penis. Surely Mark Oaten, Ron Davies and Portillo could have warned him to watch his step around that tricky bit of pavement? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1715-ming-has-gone/#findComment-47560 Share on other sites More sharing options...
citizenED Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 As a general point i think it a pity that Campbell's age has been a factor in all this. Ageism in extremis. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1715-ming-has-gone/#findComment-47561 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ant Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 Ming who?Surely there was a lot more lacking in Ming than youth. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1715-ming-has-gone/#findComment-47576 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keef Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 Exactly right! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1715-ming-has-gone/#findComment-47580 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maurice Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 I read today the Green Party Headquarters is the least energy efficient of all. Well done! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1715-ming-has-gone/#findComment-47582 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanMacGabhann Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 come on Maurice, provide a link to the source....edit - hang on thought I'd do the lookup myself. I had a fair idea where to find it after allhttp://www.metro.co.uk/news/article.html?in_article_id=70740&in_page_id=34Renting a place isn't really the same thing a trying to forge an agenda which encapsulates a wider strategy, but it probably does come under "faux pas" Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1715-ming-has-gone/#findComment-47583 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendan Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 Well if it is an issue for the Metro it surely has to be of the utmost importance. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1715-ming-has-gone/#findComment-47592 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maurice Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 Ah attack the source if you've no defence. I think it says quite a lot actually. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1715-ming-has-gone/#findComment-47595 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Bob* Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 The Metro.. "yesterday's news - today" Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1715-ming-has-gone/#findComment-47602 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanMacGabhann Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 Quote Come on then we are all earsWhat is says to me sounds very like "hahahahaahahahahahahaahah we don't have to listen to a WORD you say, weirdos, because you rent a building which isn't properly insulated hahahahahahahahaahahahaha!!!"Whis is neither:a lot, orhelpfulIf they are renting premises, then they may not be allowed to do anything to the building.If you say they should rent a "better" building then how many are there available? Does the Green Party have policies to tackle the shortage of properties with better insulation? One would have thought so, but that article isn't going to inform anyone about anything Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1715-ming-has-gone/#findComment-47606 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maurice Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 I can assure you if the Conservatives were the worst offenders you'd all sing a different tune. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1715-ming-has-gone/#findComment-47631 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Dale Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 Yeah let them off. They might be hypocrites but their hearts are in the right place.Let's let Simon Hughes off too. Can't have be easy going home to your boyfriend after a hard day's gay bashing. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1715-ming-has-gone/#findComment-47632 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanMacGabhann Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 Maurice - you can ASSUME we would do so, but only we can ASSURE you what we would say[pedant mode off] Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1715-ming-has-gone/#findComment-47635 Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_carnell Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 Alan Dale Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Yeah let them off. They might be hypocrites but> their hearts are in the right place.> > Let's let Simon Hughes off too. Can't have be easy> going home to your boyfriend after a hard day's> gay bashing.Meow. ;-) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1715-ming-has-gone/#findComment-47636 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maurice Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 Ah thanks Sean for taking my side on this. Anyone else agree with us the Conservatives would've been treated differently on this board? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1715-ming-has-gone/#findComment-47641 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Dale Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 Definitely. Pillocks are chastised on a case by case basis. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1715-ming-has-gone/#findComment-47643 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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