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edhistory Wrote:

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> caz Wrote:

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> > It's a state run Hariss primary school not a

> > private prep.

>

> For people who can afford to live in the catchment

> area.


As opposed to a primary school for children travelling large distances?

edhistory Wrote:

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> caz Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

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> > It's a state run Hariss primary school not a

> > private prep.

>

> For people who can afford to live in the catchment

> area.



I really don't understand this argument. I'm about as big an advocate of state education as you'll find, but I've never understand the antipathy shown towards those who can afford to live close to a good quality school. Some people make massive sacrifices to do it, I don't think that's a bad thing. It's not the same as paying for private education.

singalto Wrote:

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> Why shouldn?t people who work hard to send their

> children to private schools be able to do so

> without being criticised?


I agree, in that it's a personal decision, not an easy one and certainly not one I would criticise. But not sure about the "work hard" bit... lots of people work hard - harder than I could even contemplate - and cannot dream of paying 15K a year in school fees. The private schools round here are great and any child would be lucky to get in, but sometimes it's good to acknowledge your privilege...

JoeLeg Wrote:

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> edhistory Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > caz Wrote:

> >

> --------------------------------------------------

>

> > -----

> > > It's a state run Hariss primary school not a

> > > private prep.

> >

> > For people who can afford to live in the

> catchment

> > area.

>

>

> I really don't understand this argument. I'm about

> as big an advocate of state education as you'll

> find, but I've never understand the antipathy

> shown towards those who can afford to live close

> to a good quality school. Some people make massive

> sacrifices to do it, I don't think that's a bad

> thing. It's not the same as paying for private

> education.


This reminded me of when Harriet Harman who lived in Stradella Road sent little Harry to St Olave's in Orpington instead of paying for DC or Alleyn's (I expect she had a state funded chauffeur to take him there in 1994)- thereby depriving someone in Orpington of a grammar school place...especially since Labour got rid of grammars - thereby depriving all poor bright kids of a decent education.

fishbiscuits Wrote:

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> singalto Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > Why shouldn?t people who work hard to send

> their

> > children to private schools be able to do so

> > without being criticised?

>

> I agree, in that it's a personal decision, not an

> easy one and certainly not one I would criticise.

> But not sure about the "work hard" bit... lots of

> people work hard - harder than I could even

> contemplate - and cannot dream of paying 15K a

> year in school fees. The private schools round

> here are great and any child would be lucky to get

> in, but sometimes it's good to acknowledge your

> privilege...


I agree entirely with this but would add that it's good to also acknowledge your privilege if you are able to buy a house at an inflated price near to a good state school. In some ways I'm minded to be more understanding of those who send their children to private school for the reason highlighted by uncleglen.

uncleglen Wrote:

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> This reminded me of when Harriet Harman who lived

> in Stradella Road sent little Harry to St Olave's

> in Orpington instead of paying for DC or Alleyn's


Money isn't enough to get into those schools... entrance is tough. But yes, state funded schools should be for local children.



peterstorm1985 Wrote:

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> would add that it's good to also acknowledge your privilege if you are

> able to buy a house at an inflated price near to a good state school.


Yes, indeed. (would that apply to the Harris? I have no idea..)

It's in no one's interests for kids to travel across London to go to school. Children should go to their local school, which should be representative of the local community imo. All schools should be good schools and in London, most are. The idea of people moving to be near a 'good school' is grossly exagerated.

fishbiscuits Wrote:

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> Lots of people move to Sutton, etc especially for

> the grammar schools though, don't they.

>

> There's certainly no other good reason to move to

> Sutton.


Do people move to Sutton? I guess some must do. The whole grammar thing is another story altogether of course.

DuncanW Wrote:

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> uncleglen Wrote:

> ***...especially

> > since Labour got rid of grammars - thereby

> > depriving all poor bright kids of a decent

> > education.***

>

> The abolition of grammars does not deprive all

> poor kids of a decent education. Quite the

> opposite is true.

Well, I am speaking from my own experience- Grammar school kid made good from a very poor background in Newham. Then 25 years teaching in various south London comps...

This country, as a whole, has severely suffered from a lack of REAL academic education- the truth of which is borne out by the way we have plundered clever skilled people from very poor countries

uncleglen Wrote:

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> DuncanW Wrote:

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> > uncleglen Wrote:

> > ***...especially

> > > since Labour got rid of grammars - thereby

> > > depriving all poor bright kids of a decent

> > > education.***

> >

> > The abolition of grammars does not deprive all

> > poor kids of a decent education. Quite the

> > opposite is true.

> Well, I am speaking from my own experience-

> Grammar school kid made good from a very poor

> background in Newham. Then 25 years teaching in

> various south London comps...

> This country, as a whole, has severely suffered

> from a lack of REAL academic education- the truth

> of which is borne out by the way we have plundered

> clever skilled people from very poor countries


'done good' is a matter of opinion.

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