Nasty vicious Attack in Peckham Rye Park 24/11/2017

[dimples]

A 74 year old man was walking home at 8.15 when he Was attacked , beaten black and blue and stabbed in the stomach . He was robbed and left in the dark in the park .

An absolutely horrendous senseless crime that if anyone witnessed please call the police !

The culprits were two black youths , one tall with a beard and one short boy .

I personally know no more as this has been posted on face book 😡

[rendelharris]

"Two black boys"? I don't give a damn what uncleglen, Loz and various other Daily Mail style commenters think, some of nomenclature on here is getting bloody ridiculous.

[dimples]

This is how the daughter of the man who was attacked described them .

[rendelharris]

And I'm sure she was quite rightly upset, but "two black boys" sounds like a report out of 1970s South Africa.

[jimlad48]

If someone has dark skin, then presumably they are a black person? Trying to find a witness is important - details like this matter. Its not racist to state someones skin colour.

[Penguin68]

This is how the daughter of the man who was attacked described them .

If this is how someone close to the attack described the attackers I think it is legitimate to use the term, perhaps more helpful in retrospect if the description was put in quotes - perhaps saying 'described as ...' To someone who is in their mid seventies (I am pushing towards that) the relative youth of the attackers may have been a salient point - being attacked by 'boys' may be more worrying than being attacked by grown men - although a bearded boy does leave me slightly confused. Some adolescents nowadays do seem to have straggly beards I have noticed.

Amended to add - even someone in his mid-seventies, unless he was either an American from the South or South African, would be unlikely to use the word 'boy' as a general pejorative to describe someone of African descent. It is not UK usage, I would have thought.

[tomskip]

More details would be helpful.

Do you mean on the common, OP? I thought the area surrounded by fencing (ie. the park) was locked shut at dusk.

[uncleglen]

rendelharris Wrote:

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> "Two black boys"? I don't give a damn what

> uncleglen, Loz and various other Daily Mail style

> commenters think, some of nomenclature on here is

> getting bloody ridiculous.

That's the trouble rh- you 'think' you know what I 'think'....and fyi I only read Private Eye

[JoeLeg]

uncleglen Wrote:

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> rendelharris Wrote:

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> > "Two black boys"? I don't give a damn what

> > uncleglen, Loz and various other Daily Mail

> style

> > commenters think, some of nomenclature on here

> is

> > getting bloody ridiculous.

>

> That's the trouble rh- you 'think' you know what I

> 'think'....and fyi I only read Private Eye

Pot. Kettle. Black. If you'll pardon the phrase...

Back on topic, I personally find the use of the word 'black boy' unhelpful as a description when that is all that is goven - the other thread was a perfect example of this. Here there are more details given, which gives a better impression of someone trying to give a description, and from the sounds of it that's probably all they could ascertain of these heinous young fools.

I wonder though, would it have seemed half as offensive if it had been 'black male youths'? Language evolves over time.

I hope the victim mounts a full recovery, no one deserves such brutality.

[Loz]

rendelharris Wrote:

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> [..] Loz and various other Daily Mail style commenters think [...]

Are you actually calling me a 'Daily Mail style commenter'?? Really? What an ignorant, first-class a******* you are.

Take your half-baked, half-witted opinions and shove them where the sun don't shine, you tosser. You obviously know sod-all about me.

[clockworkorange]

Amazing that this thread has immediately moved from what sounds a horrific crime against a pensioner to school yard name calling and people being overly sensitive about a description. Get a grip. Get some perspective.

[Dulwich Born And Bred]

I am half black and I describe black people as black people. Black people call themselves black too. Fancy that. Are we racist to ourselves? But obviously More details would be helpful in the sense of clothes, height, any distinguishing marks? So that we know who to look out for.

I hope they are caught soon before they do this to someone else.

[dimples]

That?s what the facebook plee said and no more of a description of the boys/men or where in the park . I thought just a warning on here would be helpful and also people would want to know , I?m kind of regretting posting this now !

There is also a picture of the poor man with a very bruised face but I thought better of posting that as very upsetting

[rendelharris]

Loz Wrote:

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> rendelharris Wrote:

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> > [..] Loz and various other Daily Mail style

> commenters think [...]

>

> Are you actually calling me a 'Daily Mail style

> commenter'?? Really? What an ignorant, first-class

> a******* you are.

>

> Take your half-baked, half-witted opinions and

> shove them where the sun don't shine, you tosser.

> You obviously know sod-all about me.

And I'm thoroughly delighted that that's the case, I can assure you.

[rendelharris]

DulwichBorn&Bred Wrote:

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> I am half black and I describe black people as

> black people. Black people call themselves black

> too. Fancy that. Are we racist to ourselves? But

> obviously More details would be helpful in the

> sense of clothes, height, any distinguishing

> marks? So that we know who to look out for.

> I hope they are caught soon before they do this to

> someone else.

No of course it's not racist to use the term "black people" per se. But when, as happens often on this forum, details of a crime are posted with just the details that they were committed by "black boys," "a black man" etc and nothing else, does that help anybody? Are we all to keep a careful eye out for "black boys"? To my mind all it does is promote a negative stereotype and won't do anything at all to assist in the apprehension of the perpetrators.

[Jacbuc]

I could find no record of this incident having been reported on elsewhere which given the seriousness of it was surprising. It was not on the met police website under Southwark or South London. I rang the Met Police non emergency help line this morning and they confirmed they have no record of this event in Peckham Rye Park or Peckham Rye common.

[Administrator]

I've removed unnecessary posts. I'm getting rather fed up of people having to state their opinion about something that takes away from the serious context of the main message.

Please stay on topic.

[dimples]

I?m sorry ,

I don?t know anything more , ?

I just saw a plea for anyone who saw anything to report it to the police ,

It was on Facebook !

[Administrator]

Can you share the link to Facebook please?

[peckhambog]

https://www.facebook.com/sharon.chaproniere1/posts/1670393809647540

[dimples]

I not sure how too but I?ve just asked the family and they said it happened inbetween the cafe and the toilets !

[siousxiesue]

Administrator Wrote:

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> I've removed unnecessary posts. I'm getting rather

> fed up of people having to state their opinion

> about something that takes away from the serious

> context of the main message.

>

> Please stay on topic.

Thank you Admin

[Annie5]

How awful. I hope he is on the mend.

[bobb13]

Report on Southwark News:

https://www.southwarknews.co.uk/news/robbers-punched-stabbed-oap-peckham-rye-park/

[hammerman]

Was also report on front page of the South London Press today.