Cherry Tree pub planning application to create "bunk house hostel"

[alice]

How is that depressing?

[JohnL]

alice Wrote:

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> How is that depressing?

maybe the old cliche of builders wolf whistling at all the women walking past I suppose but in other news that's to be made hate crime in London so it won't be.

or maybe just because I personally couldn't live in a room of 8 and expect my employer to pay ?150 per night for a hotel (snoring and the rest urghhh) - so who's employer expects them to do so ?

backpackers - OK - I see them in St Christophers near London Bridge and they seem OK with it :)

[nxjen]

Deleted as perhaps my experience is not representative.

[Blah Blah]

A shared bunk room is not a home. It is meant to be temporary and short let. Any suggestion that this is suitable for people in work over fixing the ridiculous housing and rental inflation in London is wrong.

[alice]

If the price fits the person surely it?s up to them.

[Blah Blah]

No Alice it is not. Going down a route of accepting that housing anyone long term in this kind of accomodation is wrong. Tenants have rights under the law which will not apply in this kind of accomodation.

[alice]

Maybe so but better than the street. For some

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[Angelina]

The place in NCR was a complete dive. Filthy, not hygienic, desperately in need of maintenance.

How anyone could think people choose to live like that is beyond me - it is more likely that this is all some people can afford. It's also tricky renting privately - huge deposits etc. and supported accommodation is hard to find.

[JohnL]

alice Wrote:

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> If the price fits the person surely it?s up to

> them.

Agreed but not your employer saving costs please.

They may do it right mind - as these things seem to be a trend.

https://www.metro.news/hotels-offering-a-hostel-experience-is-now-a-thing-but-do-we-really-want-to-go-back-there/817655/

[Blah Blah]

It is a step back to the coffin box dorms of the Victorian Era is we are ever going to seriously consider this as an approptiate type of accomodation for the low paid. This mentality has to stop. A short let hostel for travellers is what it says it is. It is not a substitute for housing longer term and nor should it ever be.

[alice]

It?s already happening.

[fishbiscuits]

What are you guys talking about? It's not housing, it's a backpacker hostel.

Strange location, I know. But hey. Maybe they're planning some sort of USP..

[DulwichFox]

I can see squatters moving in and refusing to leave.

Could be the end for The Cherry Tree.

Crazy idea

DulwichFox

[ruffers]

Stag do, ten blokes, off to hipster football at Dulwich Hamlet? - there you go chaps.

[lavender27]

Would you want to share rooms with complete strangers, with no privacy or security. The mind boggles.

[fishbiscuits]

lavender27 Wrote:

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> Would you want to share rooms with complete

> strangers, with no privacy or security. The mind boggles.

If you're 20 and travelling Europe (ha) on a shoestring, yes of course. Isn't it practically a rite of passage? Have you really never heard of backpacking or travelling??

Bloody weird thread, this...

[Abe_froeman]

Yes these kinds of dorm are completely normal for backpackers allover the world.

If it were used by workers that might actually be a step up, particularly for those who seem to be living in the back of some of those run down old white vans and lorries that are permanently parked up at the end of residential streets.

[DulwichFox]

47 people in 5 rooms 9.4 people per room. is that legal.

Do HMO rules apply..

Space requirements for HMO

Bedroom (Table 1)

1 occupant 6.5m2

2 occupants 11m2

3 occupants 15m2

For each additional person there shall be a minimum additional 4.5m2 of floor area.

Bedroom/Living Room (Table 2)

1 occupant 10m2

2 occupants 15m2

3 occupants 19.5m2 4.4.4

Bedroom/Living Room/Kitchen (Table 3)

1 occupant 13m2

2 occupants 20.5m2

DulwichFox

[fishbiscuits]

DulwichFox Wrote:

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> 47 people in 5 rooms 9.4 people per room. is that legal.

In order to fit 0.4 of a person into a room you would need to somehow cut them up. I think this is probably in contravention of EU regulation. Perhaps after we take back control, we'll have some common sense returned to British law.

Abe_froeman Wrote:

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> particularly for those who seem to be living in the back of some of those run

> down old white vans

In my (limited) experience, I think guys sleeping in white vans are often builders or labourers who have been working during the night (for shops, offices, stations, etc) and then catching a couple of hours sleep before they start their day jobs doing residential stuff...

[Sue]

lavender27 Wrote:

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> Would you want to share rooms with complete

> strangers, with no privacy or security. The mind

> boggles.

I've done it many times when travelling, with no problems apart from other people snoring :))

[bobbsy]

I love watching the process of these threads diverging and people arguing about something that is extremely unlikely to ever happen. Brilliant.

[bsand]

"this is a local shop the strangers you would bring would not understand us, our customs, our local ways."

[Socrates31]

Hi Dulwich Fox,

You?be highlighted a really important issue here, perhaps you could comment on this on the planning notice (link in OPs) post.

[Peckhamrye]

It is not an HMO because it is not intended for permanent occupation, it's envisioned that people will stay for a couple of nights. Completely different scenario. That's not to say I think it's a good idea but let's just be clear on what is being planned.

[peckham_ryu]

The location doesn?t seem any stranger for tourists than the apparently popular Peckham Lodge (Best Western ?London Peckham?). As a hostel type, it?s similar to the ones in central areas like Kensington. As long as it?s cheaper and well marketed, no reason it can?t work.

Now that you can get more sterling for your euro, it?s a good moment to attract European visitors. Hope ED will get a local boost, and welcome an interesting mix of people passing through.