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Just spoken to manager at Mother Goose, Greendale - they will be sending a text shortly advising parents to collect their children sooner rather than later if they can.


I am leaving now as I am nearby, but I don't think there are any specific problems in the area at the moment and she did stress it was up to individual parents.

I listened to BBC radio 4 yesterday & Bernie Grants daughter was on there, a very eloquent lady with a well formed view.


She was talking about the recent killing in Tottenham & comparing it with other incidents, like the Joy Gardener case. Previously in such situations the police have met with and local community groups & their leaders, explaining the details to them. They in turn then disseminated this information to the local community, maintaining an open dialogue with the police, which is both helpful & important.


However, she said in this particular case the Police weren't forthcoming in meeting or discussing the incident with the community leaders as in the previous cases, leaving a 4-5 hour gap before making any sort of positive communication.


Is this kind of liaison ad hoc or is it formalised.


What's the official line from The Met.


NETTE

andy1 Wrote:

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> sarahstrawberries Wrote:

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> > Sally81 Wrote:

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> > -----

> > > KEEP things factual. Twitter is unreliable as

> > is

> > > any hearsay. For the sake of our community

> can

> > we

> > > please only post about what we have seen with

> > our

> > > own eyes....don't spread unnecessary fear.

> >

> >

> > I phone Sainsburys 5 minutes ago and they

> > confirmed that all customers had been evacuated

> > and the store was closed; just the staff to

> > leave. This was due to specific advise

> received

> > which is that there is a mob moving from

> > Camberwell through to Peckham.

>

>

> So, in order to keep things factual, you've posted

> some facts that you received from a shop worker

> who'd heard from his colleague who had heard some

> rumours from someone who heard from an

> indeterminate and unspecified individual who had

> specific intelligence that a gang was heading from

> SE5 to SE15. If I was in a mob heading from SE5

> to SE15, I'd take the flat route along Camberwell

> Church St myself, rather than trekking up Grove

> Lane and Dog Kennel Hill then down the other side

> thus threatening Sainsburys on the way. (As you

> can tell, I think you're being ridiculous in

> posting this nonsense and panicking people for no

> good reason).


I'm saying what I was told and should have been more specfic: the person I spoke to in Sainsburys said it was POLICE advise they had received, telling them to close the shop. I'm not panicking people. Whether they feel that Sainsburys, or any other shop for that matter, closing is cause to panic - that's up to them.

my friend at the victoria has said that police have told all traders on bellenden road to close for same reason, and that the bishop has called them to say that LL is currently being trashed


anyone confirm or deny?



if these reports are true then i reckon the media have been told not to report, as it exacerbates the problems

> Is this kind of liaison ad hoc or is it formalised. / What's the official line from The Met.


I don't know, but I did see a ? former police commander on ? Newsnight saying that the IPCC had a family liaison function in such cases, and criticising them for being a slow-moving organisation. Whatever, the large number of Met PR people don't seem to have been very effective. I wonder if they were consulted, and also why there was such a long interval before the public statement from Mr Duggan's family, that they did not condone the riot.

thecrazy48 Wrote:

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> My brother has just text me to say a group is

> already gathering on Camberwell Green. Here we go

> again...


I came through Camberwell Green around 2pm, and there was nothing happening, except Butterfly Walk had the shutters down, along with many other shops (but perhaps surprisingly, not Gregg's). Unusually large numbers of ambulances around King's though...

Reports on the Honor Oak forum look genuine. One shop manager says Whitgift Shopping Centre Croydon have been told to close and I know this is true as my husband has seen the shops closing up there. He says Croydon stinks of smoke.


There is also a post saying people were asked by the police to leave Crystal Palace park http://www.se23.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=5056&page=1

*Bob* Wrote:

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> Listen to the voice of the politically disaffected

> - interviewed on the BBC world service

>

> http://audioboo.fm/boos/434411-leana-hosea-speaks-

> to-croydon-looters-on-bbcworldservice


Oh Dear...



I've just listened to that *Bob* My god, how vanilla.


"Yer, good fun, got a couple of free fings "


"Showin' the rich people/police we can do wot we liiike "



NETTE

titch juicy Wrote:

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> my friend at the victoria has said that police

> have told all traders on bellenden road to close

> for same reason, and that the bishop has called

> them to say that LL is currently being trashed

>

> anyone confirm or deny?

>

Walked past Bishop 5 mins ago - nothing happening at moment in LL except shops closing/boarding up and people on way home.

Annette Curtain Wrote:

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> *Bob* Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > Listen to the voice of the politically

> disaffected

> > - interviewed on the BBC world service

> >

> >

> http://audioboo.fm/boos/434411-leana-hosea-speaks-

>

> > to-croydon-looters-on-bbcworldservice

>

> Oh Dear...

>

>

> I've just listened to that *Bob* My god, how

> vanilla.

>

> "Yer, good fun, got a couple of free fings "

>

> "Showin' the rich people/police we can do wot we

> liiike "

>

>

> NETTE


Tells you all you need to know about the type of people doing this and why they're doing it.

I have just driven myself and my kids from st thomas' to east Dulwich via camberwell grove, dog kennel hill and lordship lane and nothing happening.. Central London is very quiet, all police I saw were heading towards Brixton, people sunbathing by camberwell green, lordship lane has loads of traffic and all shops closed wih shutters down wherever possible...


Here's hoping it is all a massive over reaction.....

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