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What a fantastic performance from Barcelona and Messi last night. I hope Wenger has learned some lessons from a very humbling defeat from the team who he is trying to emulate.

One of the first things he could do is to promote a better work ethic in his team. A key feature of Barcelona's success is their off the ball work and how hard they pressurize their opponents when they do not have the ball. They are not the biggest team in the world yet they still seem to match anyone physically and Messi epitomises this with his unselfish work rate.

Also ,like Arsenal, many of Barcelona's squad are products of their academy. Unlike Arsenal most are Spanish players. Xavi, Iniesta, Pique, Puyol, Pedro, Busquets, Valdez, Bojan. How many English players are produced by Arsenal's academy? In their team last night the answer was none. Walcott was bought from Southampton. What happened to the talented Jake Wilshire? He's on loan at Bolton. Wenger does nothing to promote English players and I don't think he trusts them technically.

Yes very surprised by the pass to a player who was tightly marked - and the pass itself was very poor. It seemed Arsenal were still patting themselves on the back when Messi completed his hat-trick.


Looking forward to the big game tonight. This really could be a classic. I think Bayern hold the upper hand (even with a fit Rooney) after that late winner last week. Bayern pretty much destroyed the United midfield in Munich and without Rooney tonight I simply cannot see how it is anything but a Bayern Munich win.

BM did scrap through their group by going to Juventus and stuffing them 4-1 in a must win game. They were almost out away to Fiorentina in the last 16 but managed a second goal late on in a 3-2 defeat to win on away goals. What does this mean? I haven't a clue! Unless French football is better than I thought Bayern can't be that good given they lost to Bordeaux twice who are in turn 1-3 down to Lyon. Their 1st leg goals against United were lucky against a team that played really poorly. I expect United to go through if they play like they can with plenty of energy.
Well I am not sure what that says about United then as Bayern deserved their win last week. For the record all 3 goals were lucky - but then United can count themselves lucky Bayern were more than a bit sloppy with the goalscoring chances they had which perhaps would have made the scoreline more emphatic.

Mick Mac Wrote:

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> "typical Germans"......quote from a knight. Real

> class from Sir Alex.


I just thought that was a heat of the moment comment Mick and it was typical of the Germans to beat an English team.Not that SAF actually meant it that way.

'typical Germans' ... more like Ferguson gracious as ever in defeat


I think United hit such an early pace that they run of steam even before half time. I wouldn't say it was a doddle for Bayern but they had total charge of midfield during that second half and just pushed United further and further back and over the two legs were IMO the better team.

Narnia Wrote:

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> >

> Blind and deaf as ever Matthew. If anyone is

> usually gracious in defeat it is Ferguson. Just

> find out what he said about losing to Chelsea for

> example.



Spat my gin and tonic over my laptop at that ! PMSL

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