The planned new Dulwich Health Centre

[NHS_Matt]

Construction work has begun on the new health centre at the site of the old Dulwich hospital.

The local NHS is now looking at services that will be provided in the new health centre.

The 8 to 8 (Extended Primary Care) Service offers extra GP and nurse appointments from 8am to 8pm seven days week. The service is available at two locations in Southwark; Lister Primary Care Centre in Peckham and Spa Medical Centre in Bermondsey.

The NHS are proposing that from 2020, the service for the south of the borough, now based at the Lister Primary Care Centre, relocates to the planned new Dulwich Health Centre.

The NHS wants to hear what our patients and stakeholders views are about this proposed move. If you are registered at a GP practice in south Southwark (Camberwell, Peckham, Dulwich or Nunhead), please complete this short survey -

https://www.engage.england.nhs.uk/survey/28a33015/

The deadline for completing the survey is 22 June 2018. If you require a paper copy, please call 020 7525 7888.

[shelly2106]

I have pm'd you

[se22cat]

Thank you, have filled it out.

The idea of being seen by a nurse rather than a doctor as asked in the survey is of concern.

[Bic Basher]

Fine for us in ED, but the bus connections to Dulwich Hospital are nowhere as good as the Lister.

[nxjen]

se22cat Wrote:

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> Thank you, have filled it out.

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> The idea of being seen by a nurse rather than a

> doctor as asked in the survey is of concern.

I was recently offered an emergency appointment with the nurse practitioner for an acute condition at my GPs surgery and was very happy with the consultation and outcome

[worldwiser]

For a survey that claims to be about the relocation of the service, why isn't there a single question relating to the relocation of the service?!

[Robert Poste's Child]

Good point! Reads like the decision has already been made and this is more to gauge the level of staffing patients will accept.

[James Barber]

Slight biased as I asked for this.

Providing a service for the south of Southwark from the south of Southwark - the Lister is located in the middle - makes good sense.

I hope others will welcome the improvement in local GP services this represents.

Presumably being co located with SELDOC will also mean both services can cross support each other.

Hi BicBasher,

Lister is on 6 bus routes and 6 bus routes are very nearby to Dulwich Hospital. Lister has controlled parking and no parking for visitors. The Dulwich Hospital is currently not located in controlled parking but will have car parking for visitors. Lister is not near a train station but thE Dulwich centre will be.

hi se22cat,

I think they mean a nurse practitioner rather than nurse. Some practices offer paramedics, pharmacists, nurse practitioners as well as doctors. Even A&E use nurses for triage before access to doctors.

[mynamehere]

Hat off to you James. You did this and so much else.

[first mate]

For aome reason I had thought this centre would continue to offer some hospital services and this would be based on local need. Will people be able to get blood tests etc.. as has been the case? What about physiotherapy and rehab? It sounds as though the function has moved on considerably from what was being stated a few years ago? Can anyone say what services will be on offer here?

[nxjen]

There is a recent new page on the Guys and St Thomas NHS Foundation Trust website regarding the services that will be offered https://www.guysandstthomas.nhs.uk/news-and-events/2018-news/may/20180509-A-new-health-centre-for-Dulwich-Community-Hospital-site.aspx

[first mate]

Thanks nxjen, by thr looks of it not the deviation I feared. Hoping blood tests will also be offered.

[Bic Basher]

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> Hi BicBasher,

> Lister is on 6 bus routes and 6 bus routes are

> very nearby to Dulwich Hospital. Lister has

> controlled parking and no parking for visitors.

> The Dulwich Hospital is currently not located in

> controlled parking but will have car parking for

> visitors. Lister is not near a train station but

> thE Dulwich centre will be.

Of which only two stop outside the current hospital, which serve Peckham and Camberwell. The other 4 involve a walk either from East Dulwich Grove/Lordship Lane or Grove Vale/Melbourne Grove which largely serve East Dulwich. Not as great as having six direct bus routes outside the centre. This leaves disabled or older patients either having to wait for a 37 or 42 or slowly walk up the road.

While car access is welcomed, there will be a certain percentage who use public transport.

[Penguin68]

This asks 2 questions only (really) - have you ever been referred to the Lister and would you mind being seen by a nurse instead of a doctor? There are some 'how was it for you' questions if you have been referred to The Lister, but no probing questions to steer answers into useful areas (waiting times, cleanliness, ease of access, effect and so on). Most of the questionnaire is taken by demographics, but whilst it asks race and sexuality it doesn't ask age or any disability - both of which are relevant, I would have thought, to access issues, nor does it use any form of postcode check to see comparative proximity to The Lister or Dulwich Hospital. Or, in other words, it's a pretty useless questionnaire, designed to show consultation has taken place without really undertaking any meaningful information collection. If the NHS has actually pad a consultant to derive useful information for them, then they've been robbed! This is, at best, a weak PR exercise.

[solar]

Agreed 100 per cent.

[nxjen]

I don?t think the questionnaire is that bad, the ?how was it for you? questions give greater scope for a more detailed, nuanced answer than a question such as ?On a scale of 1 to 10, how clean did you find the facility? which gives no scope for the ?yes but ...? answer. Had I ever attended at Lister, I would welcome the opportunity of answering the more open ended questions.

Anyway, regardless of whether it?s a well designed questionnaire or not, or whether it?s a mere PR stunt, we should not lose site of the fact that within a couple of years (or so!), at last, there will be a brand new health facility in the area.

[Penguin68]

I don?t think the questionnaire is that bad, the ?how was it for you? questions give greater scope for a more detailed, nuanced answer than a question such as ?On a scale of 1 to 10, how clean did you find the facility? which gives no scope for the ?yes but ...? answer. Had I ever attended at Lister, I would welcome the opportunity of answering the more open ended questions.

Agreed that open-ended questions can elucidate a richer response - but please note (I speak as a former member of the MRS) (1) This is normally done in the context of a framework of more directed questions, either using a Likert scale (i.e. 1-5) or simple binary questions or other analysis context, and (2) proper data analysis of open ended questions, which, for a piece of quantitative research requires post coding (rather than pre-coding, this isn't about postcodes!) is difficult and expensive. I'm willing to bet that this group have neither the skill nor the money to use this information in any sensible way.

Without demographic information on e.g. age (although apparently my response will be analysed on the basis of whether I'm a lesbian or not) and particularly, in this context, disability this 'research' isn't frankly, worth a candle.

Nor is the self selecting nature of the research sample capable of supplying information of any statistical significance.

Not that there are any opposition councillors anymore, but someone should challenge the 'local NHS' if they make any claims whatsoever as a 'result' of this exercise - which I suspect has the clear fingerprints of those wanting to make these changes in Southwark come what may - which is all about re-use of public property within our bit of SE London. That may actually be just the NHS - but I have my doubts.

[gkb]

I would much rather be seen by a nurse (and many of them are specialist practitioners) who will have more time to listen, be caring, and give advice than a Dr who has 6 mins allocated appt time and is tired and stressed and rushed off their feet. A nurse will refer and ask for advice from a Dr if she/he is concerned.

[janicemuir]

I would be more than happy to see a nurse rather than a GP. Ta nurse will soon tel you if you need to see the GP. NURSE PRACTINERS ARE BRILLIANY!

[OutOfFocus]

In most cases I would be happy to see a nurse and rather than have to explain (grovel?) to receptionist to get an appointment with a doctor. Enough feels like a better judge of Clinical need than a receptionist