Buggy pollution in East Dulwich

[Keef]

A friend of a friend, after becoming a dad for the first time, set up a big warehouse near Oxford selling baby stuff. My friend went to see him when they were expecting their first, and said that although they spend a fortune, they saved loads, so when the time comes, I shall be getting my mate to drive me to Oxford!

I'll see if I can get his details and post them on here, might be of interest...

[Michael Palaeologus]

How much methane does an average baby produce?

I think that it is UTTERLY irresponsible for people to bring children out onto the street of ED without being fitted with a carbon scrubber and catalytic converter onto the child's exhaust, um, area.

Do you know that the babies of Dulwich produce as much CO2 as all of the jet passenger aircraft in the UK? Think of the amount of polluting gases and materials that your children will produce throughout their whole lifetime.

If people could just control their procreative urges, we could all fly cheaply to places that we would otherwise never have thought to visit.

I have no children and am therefore able drive to Sainsburys on a daily basis and regularly fly across the globe for 50p, comfortable with the thought that I have made that sacrifice for the planet. Parents - can you say the same?

The next time you gaze at your child, dont see a cooing baby, see the them for what they are - the destroyer of worlds.

Harrumph!

[lozzyloz]

Good point MP. Perhaps all ED parents should plant a few trees on the Rye. However, of greater concern is the saturation of curry houses in ED and the amount of methane produced as a by product from the childless people who can afford to eat out.

[ooermrs]

Hello all,

I had my first child when I was 22 (16 years ago) and things have changed so much since then.

I think its fab that motherhood and children are now a status symbol, as opposed to being treated like a 3rd class citizen (as I sadly was).

I cant really see how being an extra foot higher would dramatically affect the air quality and anyway Mums don't need anything else to feel guilty about!

Good on the mums that insist on Buggies that are user friendly and well designed.

[citizenED]

I've been told you can buy a jute carbon scrubber and hemp-based catalytic converter for this purpose at Karavan. both are hand crafted by the ladies that sit outside the Laudromat by the Irish shop.

[macroban]

> I cant really see how being an extra foot higher would dramatically affect the air quality

Those nasty black fumes seem to be heavier than air.

[ratty]

ooermrs Wrote:

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> anyway Mums don't need anything else to feel

> guilty about!

>

Damn right!

[Michael Palaeologus]

Isnt one of those ladies Dulwichmum?

[Keef]

"Mums don't need anything else to feel guilty about!"

Why, what are they all feeling so guilty about?

Also, ooermrs, how were you treated like a 3rd class citizen 16 years ago? (I'm not doubting you, I'm just asking as interested)

[Alan Dale]

I think that those who doubt the efficacy of these modern baby transporters are out of touch with the noughties urbanite unmarried nuclear family.

We have got a bugaboo, a Phil and Ted two seater and a lightweight McClaren stroller. Total cost in excess of ?1,000.

My car is a 1990 VW golf MK2 - ?800.

Consequently the buggies get the garage and the car sits on our driveway.

[ratty]

Guilt for Mums:

When to stop breastfeeding; did you have a glass of wine throughout the entire 9 months of the pregnancy, what if you cannot breast feed for some reason? Guilt is dripped on pregnant women and new mums by all and sundry that think they have the right interfere. Plus, when a tiny baby is screaming through collic (the most evil of diagnoses) the mum will usually feel guilty cos they cannot stop it.

Oh yes, Mums get plenty of guilt! :(

[Keef]

Isn't it great being a bloke! >:D

[KalamityKel]

not into the whole breast feeding thang yaself then eh keef? :p

[Keef]

No, I know blokes who are, but I'm just not that kinky! :-S

[mightyroar]

totally agree Ratty. and the rest....

you could literally do an A to Z of parental guilt pressure points. most of them rehearsed on this forum one way or another:

A- Are they getting enough milk?

B- Babyfood-is it organic?

C- Childcare- is it good enough

D- Designer buggy- must not buy

E -Ears of adults in pub trying to have a nice quiet time... must always be protected

F- Fumes, must not poison with

G- Gift shop, must not waste time in

H- Huge salary of partner, must not spend

all the way to those precious

ZZZZs- sleeping through the night yet?

[KalamityKel]

Good God! I like sooooo didn't mean THAT! roflpmsl!!!

[Keef]

I know you didn't :)

What does "roflpms" mean?

[KalamityKel]

ROFLPMS = rolling on floor laughing ping myself

No not literally! :p

[Michael Palaeologus]

I think that many of us get the "guilt" thing from the health-fascists

The Fat = Obesity and Diabetes

The thin = Eating disorder

The pale = skin cancer

Women = where do I start?

Men = Stress, testicular cancer,

The Old = Flu jabs

The Young = MMR vaccine

Sod em. No point in taking daft risks, but you have to live your life.

[ooermrs]

Keef Wrote:

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> "Mums don't need anything else to feel guilty

> about!"

>

> Why, what are they all feeling so guilty about?

> Also, ooermrs, how were you treated like a 3rd

> class citizen 16 years ago? (I'm not doubting you,

> I'm just asking as interested)

When I had my son I was 22, but looked a good few years younger, got quite a few nasty comments from people for being a teenage mum!

There was hardly anywhere to breast feed ( well you did ask!), not many mother and toddler groups, no free nurseries attached to primary schools etc.

Also it was impossible to wheel a buggy straight on to a bus, so I had to faff about getting on with folded buggy in one hand, son and shopping bags in the other .......... all accompanied by tut tutting from other passengers.

[Asset]

I loved my Bugaboo (several years ago now, started the fashion I'll admit it) and sold it for 75% of purchase price 3 years later. It was also used as a travel cot several times in the first 6 months. They are great and much more compact and manoueverable then the old Silver Cross that was popular in the 50s.

p.s family clubbed together to buy it as a present before I get lambasted for having more money than sense.

[lozzyloz]

We bought ours in New York (worked out half the price and wouldn't have bought one otherwise) and was really handy for carrying the shopping, though did get some weird looks when people looked in expecting to see a baby. Great though they are, (all terrain etc) you still need to fork out on something lightweight like a McClaren. Then of course next baby comes close behind and you need a double buggy that can hold a baby and toddler (Phil & Ted) and as baby becomes a toddler you need a double buggy for two toddlers (Chico). My hallway looks like Cafe Nero with all the buggys littering it.

[LostThePlot]

KalamityKel Wrote:

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> ROFLPMS = rolling on floor laughing ping myself

Surely ROFPMSL to avoid sounding like Yoda?

[KalamityKel]

well yes... :p

[mamafeelgood]

for all the people who complain about flashy buggies you should be made to push around 2 x 15 kilos (twins) in a double maclaren (?122 on ebay) for over a week. see how long your back lasts and then do the same with a phil and teds (?250 ebay) and then you will understand that it's not a showy off thing it's a 'i want to enjoy motherhood and not be crippled by it'. add to this the fact that you can get into shops that previously were no go areas as a side by side couldn't get in (note that the macl side by side is the same width as a wheelchair so clearly quite a few places down LL are breaking disability access regs) and the extra money is totally worth while.

then subtract the cost of osteopaths to sort your back which has been demolished by pushing 2 kids round in a small plastic wheeled double buggy and actually the phil and teds is a cheaper long term option...

please, enough of the permanent criticisms of parents on this forum. i'm surprised that we haven't been blamed for the foxtons, regeneration/gentrification of LL, the chains, freak flooding and post code envy.