It's 4.30am and the heathrow flight path appears to be in use

[fabfor]

jb1000 Wrote:

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> Also, I would encourage everyone to complain here.

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> http://www.heathrowairport.com/noise/help/make-an-

> enquiry

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> It's important, your complaints count, this

> experiment cannot be allowed to become working

> practice

Thanks jb1000. I've filled in the complaint form and left contact details for them to respond directly. This is outrageous!!

[baggie]

have complained

[uncleglen]

I am a very light sleeper but since I got a box of fluorescent pink and yellow ear plugs I have had undisturbed sleep.

[worldwiser]

Fascinating tool that webtrak - I had a shot at establishing some kind of pattern. For instance, weekends always seem to be tremendously busy with one flight every minute all day long. Certain days during the week seem to have almost nothing.. sometimes afternoons are very busy, sometimes not. Does Heathrow share the pain around or is it a wind direction thing? Anyone have some insight into this?

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[ianc]

"uncleglen", I have a box of the very same garish yellow/pink earplugs, and they do indeed work miracles.

[Peckhampam]

What is the name of the earplugs pkease???

[fl0wer]

Thanks for posting links but I think the 'submit complaint' facility run by Heathrow Airport is designed so someone can only complain about one day at a time.

It's been comforting to read how the low flying Big Growlers that come in every a.m. so early, are regarded as a nuisance by all the rest of you, but now I see this has been going on for days, weeks, and months!

After living here a few months I've adapted by starting my night's rest earlier. I know I will never get used to that early plane noise and if I wake around midnight I've learnt to appreciate deliberately the beautiful absence of aircraft, as one way of returning to the sleep I know can't last much beyond 4.30 a.m.

Is anyone planning to log in and complain every single day? If you are, and feel that the sheer quantity of daily complainers is a force with which Heathrow must reckon - please write about it here, so that other correspondents on this Forum can co-operate. One complainer who emails them every single day won't be as powerful as many voices, because it's easier for that individual to get labelled a 'nutter' in the recipient's office.

[Medley]

I complain every time it happens to me (like this morning), although I'm over in Honor Oak Park and get woken up later (typically 6.30).

I complain via the http://webtrak.bksv.com/lhr site - and they have responded saying we've logged your complaints under the following numbers etc.

I take the point about labelled a nutter, but don't feel there's much else I can do.

[ianc]

peckhampam, the earplugs I'm using are "Laser Lite". Just Google for "laser lite earplugs" and you'll find loads of buying options :-)

[*Bob*]

I'm a 'Quies' man, myself. Great 'plug.

The only thing about wearing earplugs is that you kind-of get addicted to them - and if you run-out you're liable to get woken-up by the sound of a mouse farting two doors down.

[charliecharlie]

http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/file.php?5,file=68602

it's all because the first flights coming into Heathrow start stacking at 4.30 over our area as they are not allowed to land till 5.00 so they are circling and circling until they get the go ahead to finally land!

see map attached

[Medley]

I'm no expert, but landing into the wind is the done thing, and the wind is 70% from the west, i.e. 70% of the time the planes head east (over ED etc) into it.

[Sue]

There was an interesting programme on Radio 4 this morning - about 9am - about how Heathrow came to be sited where it was, prevailing winds etc. and how that now means the planes in and out of Heathrow fly over heavily populated areas (ie in this case, us).

I didn't hear all the programme as I had to get up (blush).

[craigyboy71]

charliecharlie Wrote:

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> http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/file.php?5

> ,file=68602

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> it's all because the first flights coming into

> Heathrow start stacking at 4.30 over our area as

> they are not allowed to land till 5.00 so they are

> circling and circling until they get the go ahead

> to finally land!

>

> see map attached

Why can't they just circle over the English channel or North sea instead!?!?!? Pesky planes.

[JT76]

The counter argument: it's not a new phenomenon; it's a function of living in an international city with all the trade and jobs that opens up for everyone living in London; aircraft noise is voluble across the entire of South London along the path of the Thames given most flights land from that direction; it's much worse the closer you get to Heathrow (i know how much worse Clapham is for example). Perhaps a little perspective is in order - ED is hardly Hounslow is it?

[Huguenot]

I get tinnitus. It's really loud - under conversation but above cats meowing.

JT76 offers really good advice, you've got to chill out about it.

[fl0wer]

Lovely and peaceful here this morning, thanks to fog.

Heathrow News item today:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/nov/15/heathrow-issues-hub-airport-decision-warning

[fabfor]

Huguenot Wrote:

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> I get tinnitus. It's really loud - under

> conversation but above cats meowing.

>

> JT76 offers really good advice, you've got to

> chill out about it.

I'd be grateful for advice on how to "chill out" about having my sleep disturbed by aircraft flying overhead at 4.30am.

And if they decide not to build a new runway/airport but instead opt for 24/7 flights, should we remain chilled-out then?

And since aircraft noise is likely to have a detrimental effect on our health, will chilling-out counteract this?

After millennia of searching for a true panacea, it looks like it's been discovered at last - "chill out!"

:-)) and :-)) to that.

[JT76]

Move to the country and get lots of lovely sleep. Or stay and deal with the fact the city is a noisy place, the noise being a by-product of the jobs and trade which is the reason people are in London in the first place. The end.

[fabfor]

And when the countryside gets noisy I'll know exactly what to do....

[JT76]

Probably don't need to worry about that just yet though do you?

[fabfor]

There's no need to worry about anything anymore, is there?

[*Bob*]

Assuming the early morning landings have been running for considerably longer than this thread (which they have - many years longer) but you've only just started noticing them recently, the best advice is really to try to stop noticing them again, like you didn't before. Somehow. And hope they don't increase. Which of course, they surely will.

[JT76]

Or: moan about it. That'll stop those planes dead in their tracks.