Jump to content

Recommended Posts

lozzyloz Wrote:

-------------------------------------------------------

> I still don't get why veggies want veggie

> sausages/burgers or even quorn meat shaped pieces

> on their plate. You don't get bacon flavoured

> sprouts or artichoke shaped pieces of steak.


I think most people who have been veggie for a while don't - but for those who are new to it, it does help the transition. Also veggie kids often want something similar to what their friends eat, and I guess for them and for 'big kids' they are an easy option.

I'm not Vegetarian, but I was fortunate/unfortunate enough to step out with a succession of vegetarians, none of whom seemed to be able to cook anything worth eating (Women! Sheesh!), so I have had my training, veg-wise.


Nowadays, despite have 'struck gold' and bagged an omnivore, I suppose we still Go Veg two or three days a week and wouldn't want to change that. But when I eat out I like to order something I might not be able (or be arsed) to cook at home - and vegetarian food in restaurants is generally so unimaginative that it's just not worth risking it.

Again further afield, but Carnevale (http://www.carnevalerestaurant.co.uk/) near Barbican is a really lovely vegetarian restaurant and does a great 3 courses or 2 courses + drink deal for ?13..


Definitely interested in the supper club idea, and happy to rustle up an old Crank's favourite or two..

As a longtime veggie, I agree with Asset but I am not keen on the meat-a-like products such as Quorn.


I once ordered a v-burger in a joint in Greenwich and when I bit into it I had that adrenaline rush familiar to the betrayed veggie, discovering what I thought was a real charcoal-grilled burger and complained to the waiter. He said it was definitely veg but I insisted that I was a vegetarian and I knew meat when I tasted it. He went off and brought me the box - it was quorn. Now I avoid the stuff like hell. It is a very effective meat simulation (particularly texturally) and no doubt ideal for those cutting down for health reasons or weaning themselves off meat.


If you want to (risk) eating meat, then buy the good stuff with a cute name like Daisy and cook it properly! I'll stick to assorted ethnic food which is very often veggie.

Cheese Block do superb vegetarian Samosa's and Roti.

I still don't understand the convenient shape thing with sausages etc. Vegetables can be cut, mashed, julienned etc if you cook from fresh, so surely a thawed veggie sausage is the equivalent of opening a tin?

Personally I never understand it when meat-eaters say it is silly to eat meat substitutes that resemble meat. Most vegetarians are vegetarians not because they hate the taste but for other reasons (e.g. health, morals etc.)


As long as it's not meat, it's not meat! Isn't it a bit like saying you shouldn't wear fake fur - if you like fur you must wear the real stuff or not wear it at all. Who says!?

People that don't wear real fur generally boycott it because they don't want the cruel treatment of animals butchered for their vanity on their conscience. They normally don't wear fake fur either in case it encourages others to wear fur.


But surely eating meat isn't unhealthy or immoral? Do people really become vegetarians because they don't like the taste? There are so many variations of meat texture and taste, how would they know?

Some - but not all - meat can be unhealthy and immoral. How moral can a ?2 chicken be? Can it be raised well, fed well, given time to develop well - or is it full of growth hormomes, reared in barns where it can't move and gets hock-burn from sitting in its own faeces?


Don't get me wrong, I'm actually not a veggie, I just believe in good farming methods. Properly raised meat tastes better and, in my opinion has more nutrients. I rarely eat meat because I feel much better when I eat a veggie diet. I know people who are vegetarian because they don't like the taste and texture of meat.


I used to think it was weird that people wanted meat substitutes, but surely it's just a way of eating other things, adding variety to your diet. In the way a meat eater wants to eat vegetables or vegetarian dishes. And what about those who do like the taste but don't eat meat because of ethical or moral reasons, why not have meat substitutes?

I don't eat meat because I didn't want to eat animals that had led dreadful lives and were probably full of antibiotics & steroids and when I gave up free-range/organic meat wasn't easily available (especially in LL 18 years ago). Now I've got used to not eating meat and don't think my body would like it. My partner does not like meat - end of.


I am not the fussiest of vegetarians, if I go out to dinner I would never question whether the cheese had rennet in it, but I prefer to avoid meat products where possible.


Sometimes I miss the 'structure' of a meat and two veg type meal and then we'll have a meat substitute - ie veggie sausages in a toad in the hole - but this is not often.

Animals feel pain.


Eating meat is a waste of resources.


On average, vegetarians live longer and suffer less health problems like obesity and heart disease.


Ecover washing-up liquid doesn't contain any animal products.


I don't miss meat at all, least of all the taste.

I think eating chicken and turkey and pork etc that is bog standard is not a good thing. I don't like the idea of animals suffering, of beating treated like they're already dead. I'll pay the extra for organic and free range. I am not against the idea of animals being used as food, but am against their abuse for that purpose. Nero

It's totally a free choice whatever you choose. I come from a family of mostly vegetarians and I tend to prefer less meat in my diet, but not because I think meat is unhealthy or immoral. I think a lot of people like Cassius became vegetarians for very good reasons all those years ago and helped make the changes in animal welfare through their sacrifice of meat. Too many people go veggy because it's a bit fashionable just like Wheat allergies etc.


I agree with Nero's point that it is how the animals are treated throughout that makes a difference to the meat you eat. However, surely the same needs to be applied to vegetarian diets? How many wildlife habitats have disappeared in order to maximise production? How many children are out in overseas fields harvesting crops to keep costs down? What about the migrant workers being abused so that we get our fruit and veg to market at a profit and so on? Do the same vegetarians above wear only plastic shoes and belts?

>>If God hadn't wanted us to eat animals - why did he make them out of meat?!


Um, people are made out of meat too. Do you eat those as well...?


I don't understand why anyone would go veggie to be "fashionable." The point is, in these days of rarebait restaurants and retro British cuisine, it has probably never been more UNfashionable. Which means those of us who are veggie tend to be doing it for genuine reasons rather than jumping on a bandwagon. When you tell people you're veggie you tend to get a chorus of derision from meat-eaters, the inevitable "But don't you wear leather shoes?", "Where do you get your protein from?" and other mis-informed cliches. So the chances are, if you meet a vegetarian they are doing it out of choice - not trying to be trendy.

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
  • Latest Discussions

    • Exactly what I said, that Corbyn's group of univeristy politics far-left back benchers would have been a disaster during Covid if they had won the election. Here you go:  BBC News - Ex-union boss McCluskey took private jet flights arranged by building firm, report finds https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cp3kgg55410o The 2019 result was considered one of the worst in living memory for Labour, not only for big swing of seats away from them but because they lost a large number of the Red-wall seats- generational Labour seats. Why? Because as Alan Johnson put it so succinctly: "Corbyn couldn't lead the working class out of a paper bag"! https://youtu.be/JikhuJjM1VM?si=oHhP6rTq4hqvYyBC
    • Agreed and in the meantime its "joe public" who has to pay through higher prices. We're talking all over the shop from food to insurance and everything in between.  And to add insult to injury they "hurt " their own voters/supporters through the actions they have taken. Sadly it gets to a stage where you start thinking about leaving London and even exiting the UK for good, but where to go????? Sad times now and ahead for at least the next 4yrs, hence why Govt and Local Authorities need to cut spending on all but essential services.  An immediate saving, all managerial and executive salaries cannot exceed and frozen at £50K Do away with the Mayor of London, the GLA and all the hanging on organisations, plus do away with borough mayors and the teams that serve them. All added beauracracy that can be dispensed with and will save £££££'s  
    • The minimum wage hikes on top of the NICs increases have also caused vast swathes of unemployment.
    • Exactly - a snap election will make things even worse. Jazzer - say you get a 'new' administration tomorrow, you're still left with the same treasury, the same civil servants, the same OBR, the same think-tanks and advisors (many labour advisors are cross-party, Gauke for eg). The options are the same, no matter who's in power. Labour hasn't even changed the Tories' fiscal rules - the parties are virtually economically aligned these days.  But Reeves made a mistake in trying too hard, too early to make some seismic changes in her first budget as a big 'we're here and we're going to fix this mess, Labour to the rescue' kind of thing . They shone such a big light on the black hole that their only option was to try to fix it overnight. It was a comms clusterfuck.  They'd perhaps have done better sticking to Sunak's quiet, cautious approach, but they knew the gullible public was expecting an 24-hour turnaround miracle.  The NIC hikes are a disaster, I think they'll be reversed soon and enough and they'll keep trying till they find something that sticks.   
Home
Events
Sign In

Sign In



Or sign in with one of these services

Search
×
    Search In
×
×
  • Create New...