East London Line

[Lowlander]

EDdownunder Wrote:

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> I tried the ELL home from Shoreditch yesterday

> changing at Peckham Rye and it was a bit more

> comfortable a journey than the usual squueze fest

> between london and east dulwich, although 4 trains

> an hour only means a bit more waiting time than on

> national rail.

>

> I was a bit surprised that the payg fare is ?3.70

> for a one way ride...compared to ?2.30 from london

> bridge so sadly this poses a wee problem for pay

> as you goers as its not a 60% better commute to

> justify the 60% increase in single fare.

>

> What really ticks me off though is that it costs

> only ?2.70 from Peckham Rye and therefore costs ?1

> to travel from peckham rye to east dulwich.....how

> is this fair?

London Overground is cheaper than National Rail (same prices as the tube). East Dulwich isn't served by LO, so you have to use the Southern service, and are charged accordingly. Even if for one stop.

[Bic Basher]

That fare should be questioned, from Whitechapel to ED, the fare is being charged as a national rail only fare, while the Shoreditch High Street to ED fare has been charged as a TfL/NR premium fare.

[Lowlander]

Shoreditch is in zone 1, whilst Whitechapel is in zone 2

[EDdownunder]

You are correct that's the justification allright I am just challenging this on the grounds that touching in and out only once in the same zone should be the same price for payg regardless of the station given the same equality exists for travel cards over a week / month.

[Medley]

Ah, the decision to place Shoreditch High Street station in zone 1 (when the old Shoreditch station was in zone 2) rears its head again.

[Lowlander]

EDdownunder Wrote:

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> You are correct that's the justification allright

> I am just challenging this on the grounds that

> touching in and out only once in the same zone

> should be the same price for payg regardless of

> the station given the same equality exists for

> travel cards over a week / month.

Yes, I agree. It's a legacy of a lack of transport integration. Might be fixed in 20 years.

[EDdownunder]

@ medley - nope, london bridge is in zone 1, so I am only suggesting that zone 2 to zone 1 should cost the same pay as you go regardless of the stations involved considering it costs the same for a weekly or monthly within the same zones regardless of stations used.

[Lowlander]

EDdownunder Wrote:

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> @ medley - nope, london bridge is in zone 1, so I

> am only suggesting that zone 2 to zone 1 should

> cost the same pay as you go regardless of the

> stations involved considering it costs the same

> for a weekly or monthly within the same zones

> regardless of stations used.

Not excusing it...but it's the change in transport mode. If you use NR or TfL only then the cost is lower. You pay more because you're using both (in fact the same as if you used the train and tube).

[Zebedee Tring]

BTW what's happened to the improvement works at DH? The lifts and new station entrance were supposed to be completed by the time that the new service started, but no such luck.

[Medley]

Yes, sorry if my earlier post drifted off topic. For me it's the difference between going from Honor Oak Park in the peak to work:

via Southern and Jubilee, changing at London Bridge = 4.40

via Overground and Jubilee, changing at Canada Water = 3.10

Nutty.

[EDdownunder]

@ Lowlander, I understand why they are charging more I just disagree with the logic and the fairness of the current fair structure. You pay the same for a weekly zone 1&2 if you use dlr, tube, overground and NR all on the one day, and likewise with price capping for zone travel.

I believe that a single train journey payg should be charged based on the zones of travel. If makes no sense to discriminate against the payg customers in this manner.

[ianr]

> I believe that a single train journey payg should be charged based on the zones of travel.

The ?3.70 for Shoreditch High Street to ED is the Zone 1-2 fare in the "Adult National Rail through fares" table ("for journeys including Tube, DLR or London Overground") at http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tickets/fares-2012/26099.aspx.

[Lowlander]

EDdownunder Wrote:

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> @ Lowlander, I understand why they are charging

> more I just disagree with the logic and the

> fairness of the current fair structure. You pay

> the same for a weekly zone 1&2 if you use dlr,

> tube, overground and NR all on the one day, and

> likewise with price capping for zone travel.

>

> I believe that a single train journey payg should

> be charged based on the zones of travel. If makes

> no sense to discriminate against the payg

> customers in this manner.

How do you get from London Bridge to Shoreditch?

[Al&Em]

Anyone know if you can get a point to point annual ticket on the Overground , eg Peckham Rye to Shoreditch High st without having to make it a travelcard?

[EDdownunder]

check on the national rail site, link attached.

http://ojp.nationalrail.co.uk/service/seasonticket/search

You will pay ?62 a month to go from ED or Peckham Rye to LBR but it jumps to ?112 a month to use Shoreditch as the destination.

You may as well buy a monthly travelcard which is obviously the intention, pay more for less should be the official TfL motto.

Note that fares also go up by 4%-ish for next year, to keep in step with inflation apparently.

[Lowlander]

If you use train only it's cheap*

If you use the bus it's cheap*

If you use the tube/overground it's cheap*

It's when you start to use combinations that it becomes expensive. I walk 40 minutes a day (20 each way) to and from the station; keeps me fit but also saves ~?500 a year

*I use the word 'cheap' very loosely. Less expensive certainly.

[Hilbs]

So I have tried this for a couple of days and it isn't quite as bad as I thought. Definitely longer than my previous commute though.

Yesterday I went Denmark Hill to CJ which was fine but when I got there I was told there weren't any trains to Kensington Olympia and was made to go to Victora, which kind of defeated the point...

This morning was better although I was sat on the CJ to Olympia train for nearly 15 mins before it went anywhere. Guess I'll just need to play around with the timings so I have less changeover time. Bonus is that I have also realised I can actually get off at Brompton Road which is better.

Will persevere!

[Bic Basher]

If any of you have been overcharged as part of the ELL changes, please post on the Oyster and National Rail website, an independent site which has successfully got TfL to change fares in the past.

Mike who runs the site is compiling a list of journeys where it's clear passengers have been ripped off by TfL not updating their station price lists.

http://www.oyster-rail.org.uk/2012/12/pink-route-validator-change/

[TB2]

I think you mean West Brompton rather than Brompton Road. Brompton Road station was on the Piccadilly Line between South Kensington and Knightsbridge and was closed in the 1930s. The station is still there with 1930'S paraphernalia extant, but getting off and on there might be a problem.....

[Bic Basher]

Still very quiet on the Clapham Junction trains when I was at Canada Water during the evening rush hour, although they were only running to Wandsworth Road due to a signal fault.

[AbDabs]

Bic Basher Wrote:

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> Still very quiet on the Clapham Junction trains

> when I was at Canada Water during the evening rush

> hour, although they were only running to

> Wandsworth Road due to a signal fault.

Oh for goodness sake, will everyone please shut up. I've been sitting in a seat on my journey to work for the first time for years. Do you really have to tell everyone else about it?

[bloonoo]

Can anyone help as I am a bit confused - I went from Southgate (zone 4 tube) to Peckham Rye (zone 2) and it cost me ?2.00 on oyster.

It usually costs me ?1.50 as I Have a zone 1-2 travel card, and ?1.50 is the price from zone 2-4.

According to my oyster staeement it cost me 50p more because I went outside of the alloctated zone on my travel card, but it has always cost me ?1.50 and I swipe in/out everywhere I go.

I have since tested the journey from ED (swiping in at ED) and it cost me ?1.50 again - so why did it cost 50p extra coming out at Peckham Rye, when it's closer to London and the same zone as ED?

[eastdulwichhenry]

Does anyone know if national rail season tickets are valid on the London Overground?

[the-e-dealer]

Yes.

[eastdulwichhenry]

@the-e-dealer - are you sure? According to the season ticket calculator website http://ojp.nationalrail.co.uk/service/seasonticket/tickets you can still buy a weekly ticket from Denmark Hill to Wandsworth Road for ?10.30, even though Wandsworth Road is now an Overground only station.