lozzyloz Posted March 7, 2008 Share Posted March 7, 2008 I don't see the point of saying it either but there's nothing wrong with being black or white and being proud of it.If I walk into a pub in Highbury and proudly shout out "I'm a Chelsea fan and proud of it!" You'd have to question my motives and what do you think the reaction would be? Would they understand my proudness and pat me on the back or think "You cocky Chelsea scum" and eject me from the pub?However in same pub if I'd walked in and bought myself a pint, got talking to a few locals and after a while let it slip I'm a Chelsea fan, sure there's be some banter but also a lot more respect. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/2781-light-the-blue-touch-paper/page/3/#findComment-85435 Share on other sites More sharing options...
atila the gooner Posted March 7, 2008 Share Posted March 7, 2008 lozzyloz Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Why should someone's colour be something to be> proud of as if it's a badge? Surely it's WHO you> are. Then people would be less inclined to fight> because somebody says that white is better than> black or whatever. I don't feel my colour is> something that I need to be proud of and say "Hey,> look at me". But if I'm in a situation where a> group are making their colour a reason to> discriminate against me I feel uncomfortable. Same> applies to religion, gender, creed, sexuality and> football team.I certainly don't wear my colour as a "badge" but I don't see why it would be ok for one sction of society to proclaim they are proud of their colour and not for another section. I am what I am and proud of it, an part of what I am is being white. I'm also proud of being a parent, that's not a "badge" and I'm proud of my Turkish Cypriot roots again that is not a "badge", and I don't see how saying I'm proud of these things would make another section of society feel discriminated against. But we are all entitled to our opinions. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/2781-light-the-blue-touch-paper/page/3/#findComment-85442 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lozzyloz Posted March 7, 2008 Share Posted March 7, 2008 What exactly is involved in being White? Are there White things a black man can't do? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/2781-light-the-blue-touch-paper/page/3/#findComment-85443 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendan Posted March 7, 2008 Share Posted March 7, 2008 Yeah, the ?Faliraki tan? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/2781-light-the-blue-touch-paper/page/3/#findComment-85447 Share on other sites More sharing options...
atila the gooner Posted March 7, 2008 Share Posted March 7, 2008 lozzyloz Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> What exactly is involved in being White? Are there> White things a black man can't do?I think you're missing the point here. I've not said that, I've asked if people think it's ok to say they are proud of being white in the same way black people are proud of being erm.......black. At what point did I hint or suggest that one section was unable to do things the other section couldn't. Please help me out here cos I don't see what you're getting at. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/2781-light-the-blue-touch-paper/page/3/#findComment-85448 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keef Posted March 7, 2008 Share Posted March 7, 2008 Like bob said, I'm neither proud or ashamed to be white. Don't think there is anything wrong with being proud, but I can't see why you would be.Here's a proud group.Black, Welsh and Proud Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/2781-light-the-blue-touch-paper/page/3/#findComment-85452 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mockney piers Posted March 7, 2008 Author Share Posted March 7, 2008 I nkow where you're coming from Atila, and there's no way you should be ashamed for being white.And if you want to say your proud, that's great. I sure ain't going to complain.I'm interested to know if anyone here would be offended.My point, personally speaking, was there's nothing specifically about being white that I'm proud of, but that's just me really.Thinking about it, if I'm not going to take personal responsibility and feel shame for Spain's devastation of the New World, the Inquisition, the bloodthirsty campaigns in The Low Countries, General Franco etc as they weren't really my fault, then can I take personal pride in Goya, Velazquez, Rodrigo, Flamenco, the Alhambra, the orange laden squares of Seville, The perennial underachievers that are the national football team?I can take pride in my mum's Tortilla Espa?ola though, I'm pretty comfortable with that. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/2781-light-the-blue-touch-paper/page/3/#findComment-85454 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lozzyloz Posted March 7, 2008 Share Posted March 7, 2008 Atila that is exactly the point. For either colour to go round shouting about being proud of their colour doesn't really achieve much positiveness.We (you and me) share a lot more in common than the difference being the colour of our skin. I am also proud of being a parent, my ethnic origin, my background, my profession, the list goes on, but I don't have to wear the T-shirt, fly the banner or shout it out from the top of the roof.What is more important IS BEING WHO YOU ARE.I grew up with Jamaican and Guyanese families and it was only when I was around 12 or 13 I realised I wasn't black! I'm actually an olive brown but it wasn't the skin colour it was the culture.I am what I am and proud of it, an part of what I am is being white. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/2781-light-the-blue-touch-paper/page/3/#findComment-85455 Share on other sites More sharing options...
citizenED Posted March 7, 2008 Share Posted March 7, 2008 White pride is symbolised by Statues around Westminster (and other city centres), Paintings of Generals in the National Gallery and other such visual shows of power and authority. It's clearly demonstrated by all the white captains of industry, bishops, MP's and media moguls we see on the TV. There is no need for any specific act by any regular white person in the UK to celebrate white achievement. This is not the case for other ethnicities. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/2781-light-the-blue-touch-paper/page/3/#findComment-85462 Share on other sites More sharing options...
atila the gooner Posted March 7, 2008 Share Posted March 7, 2008 citizenED Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> White pride is symbolised by Statues around> Westminster (and other city centres), Paintings of> Generals in the National Gallery and other such> visual shows of power and authority. It's clearly> demonstrated by all the white captains of> industry, bishops, MP's and media moguls we see on> the TV. There is no need for any specific act by> any regular white person in the UK to celebrate> white achievement. > > This is not the case for other ethnicities.I think this is what's known as a sweeping generalistaion. So nothing commendable, or worthy of civic pride has ever been achieved by a white person in the UK, ever, only by people from other ethnicities. I won't even begin to say I vehemently disagree, because it's not worth it. Let's just agree to disagree. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/2781-light-the-blue-touch-paper/page/3/#findComment-85470 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mockney piers Posted March 7, 2008 Author Share Posted March 7, 2008 There are about ten trillion Mandela Bars in student unions nationwide.At Keele we renamed ours in honour of Frankie Howerd after he died. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/2781-light-the-blue-touch-paper/page/3/#findComment-85476 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendan Posted March 7, 2008 Share Posted March 7, 2008 Weigh that up against the amount of students nationwide who actually know cock all about South Africa and its history and you get ten trillion into about a dozen. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/2781-light-the-blue-touch-paper/page/3/#findComment-85480 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mockney piers Posted March 7, 2008 Author Share Posted March 7, 2008 I did South African history for two terms in the second year of my history degree and I can pretty much say I know cock all about it too. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/2781-light-the-blue-touch-paper/page/3/#findComment-85482 Share on other sites More sharing options...
citizenED Posted March 7, 2008 Share Posted March 7, 2008 careful, Atila, I didn't actually say or imply that. I'm simply pointing out that the vast amount of "achievement" in this country has been accomplished by white people and there are plenty of symbols of that "achievement". Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/2781-light-the-blue-touch-paper/page/3/#findComment-85483 Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_carnell Posted March 7, 2008 Share Posted March 7, 2008 To lighten the mood:Black people love us! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/2781-light-the-blue-touch-paper/page/3/#findComment-85497 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendan Posted March 7, 2008 Share Posted March 7, 2008 lol Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/2781-light-the-blue-touch-paper/page/3/#findComment-85522 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jah Lush Posted March 7, 2008 Share Posted March 7, 2008 "Until the colour of a man's skin is of no more significance than the colour of his eyes then everywhere is war."- Marcus Garvey Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/2781-light-the-blue-touch-paper/page/3/#findComment-85617 Share on other sites More sharing options...
snorky Posted March 7, 2008 Share Posted March 7, 2008 mockney piers Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> There are about ten trillion Mandela Bars in> student unions nationwide.> At Keele we renamed ours in honour of Frankie> Howerd after he died.So - where did you live Horwood, Lindsay or Hawthorns then ?or a squalid little rented house in Silverdale ? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/2781-light-the-blue-touch-paper/page/3/#findComment-85618 Share on other sites More sharing options...
atila the gooner Posted March 7, 2008 Share Posted March 7, 2008 Jah Lush Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> "Until the colour of a man's skin is of no more> significance than the colour of his eyes then> everywhere is war."> > - Marcus GarveyI think this is Emperor Haile Selassie speech Jah. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/2781-light-the-blue-touch-paper/page/3/#findComment-85629 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mockney piers Posted March 7, 2008 Author Share Posted March 7, 2008 Lindsey (G block) as a Fresher, thence to the flats in Barnes.It was mates what burned the one at the top down. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/2781-light-the-blue-touch-paper/page/3/#findComment-85631 Share on other sites More sharing options...
snorky Posted March 7, 2008 Share Posted March 7, 2008 Lindsay was always handy for hitching cos of its proximity to Keele services Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/2781-light-the-blue-touch-paper/page/3/#findComment-85634 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jah Lush Posted March 7, 2008 Share Posted March 7, 2008 I'm afraid you're wrong there Atila it was Marcus Garvey. Bob Marley appropriated the words into the song War. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/2781-light-the-blue-touch-paper/page/3/#findComment-85635 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mockney piers Posted March 7, 2008 Author Share Posted March 7, 2008 indeed it was, did that myself a couple of times. It wasn't so easy in the snow though.When were you there? And let me guess, politics and criminology with a biophysics subsid? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/2781-light-the-blue-touch-paper/page/3/#findComment-85637 Share on other sites More sharing options...
snorky Posted March 7, 2008 Share Posted March 7, 2008 IM sorry, but that would be giving the game away & maybe my anonimity but I have a life long hatred of Ezra Pound*too much infiormation actually* Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/2781-light-the-blue-touch-paper/page/3/#findComment-85639 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mockney piers Posted March 7, 2008 Author Share Posted March 7, 2008 snorky Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> IM sorry, but that would be giving the game away &> maybe my anonimityStill avoiding those pesky students loans people huh? ;-) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/2781-light-the-blue-touch-paper/page/3/#findComment-85640 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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