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[Otta]

James Wrote:

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> Some of you meat eaters seem to be suggesting that

> it is impossible for you to go without meat for a

> single meal! I find this totally weird. What do

> you think will happen if you don't have a steak -

> are you scared you might start compulsively

> weaving baskets or something? When I go to a

> restaurant I enjoy different kinds of food, not

> eating the same kind of stuff over and over again.

Of course meat eaters don't NEED to eat meat. My wife is veggie, so I often don't eat meat, but I do like to eat meat, and if I'm treating myself to a meal out, I'm not going to pick a bloody veggie option, because that, to me, is not much of a treat. The meat on my plate is the highlight of any meal.

1 or their 5 mains is veggie. That's 20%. That seems proportianate to the number of people that are going to want meat free dishes. They want to do good business and get people through the door, and whilst there are a fair few veggies around, most people going through their doors are going to want meat on their plate.

[DulwichFox]

PandG Wrote:

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> Let's keep the thread going - that fox person is

> hiding behind his/her forum name -

As StraferJack pointed out I do not hide behind my UserName..

Being a regular at the Monthly Curry Club I am known by many there.

I am known by many of the Indian Restaurants and local Pubs.

I recently visited Rannaghor Take Away. The guy behind the counter who I did not know asked me 'Are you DulwichFox'

Several people in the EDT have asked me if I am Foxy.

The reason for this is that I can often be seen performing Close-up Magic Card Tricks.

So you may of seen me yourself.

Even the Foxes know me. :) They follow me home and wait outside my house at night.

When my mum died I had lots of stuff that I sold here on EDF and some I gave away.

Therefore many people have been to my house.

They know who I am.

So how many people know you PandG ??

DulwichFox

[Mick Mac]

As Frankie Boyle once said.

Yes, we have a vegetarian option for you this evening:

Eat the meat, or f*ck off.

[DulwichFox]

Healthy Options:-

Sausage in Batter Salad..

http://teakdoor.com/Gallery/albums/userpics/10004/Pattaya_Fish_and_Chips_Restaurant_2.JPG

DF.

[titch juicy]

winding up militant veggies is almost as enjoyable as eating a nice veal steak

[KidKruger]

There you go James, sorted.

[Loz]

James Wrote:

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> Some of you meat eaters seem to be suggesting that

> it is impossible for you to go without meat for a

> single meal! I find this totally weird. What do

> you think will happen if you don't have a steak

It wouldn't hurt you to have a decent steak or a bacon sandwich occasionally, either.

[KidKruger]

http://www.newsbiscuit.com/2013/02/11/horse-meat-latest-vegetarians-smugness-at-98/

Horse meat latest: vegetarians? smugness at 98%

Routine testing of Britain?s vegetarians has revealed levels of smugness of up to 98% it has been revealed. Traces of self-satisfaction and moral superiority were also detected. ?I?m routinely pleased with myself, said one veggie, ?But now I?m absolutely delighted.?

Health campaigners are concerned that the current crisis could prove very dangerous for the most outspoken of vegetarians. ?If this continues,? said one health official, ?it is quite possible they will get a smack in the mouth.?

However smugness levels are set to decline rapidly down following rumours that traces of tofu had been found in tahini.

[Otta]

Also James, you said "I enjoy different kinds of food, not eating the same kind of stuff over and over again."

A steak, a lamb curry, a kofte kebab, roast chicken, bacon sandwich. These all taste pretty different to each other. Meat eaters don't just say "bring me meat" and get a lump of some unidentifiable meat every meal time.

[Zebedee Tring]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that this thread was about The Patch and not a debate about the merits/demerits of vegetarianism and meat eating.

[aquarius moon]

James,

As a fellow veggie, I do agree with what you are saying.

However........

When I first joined this forum, I tried to influence people with my vegetarian ways of thinking. I did the cruelty to animals, health issues associated with meat-eating etc, etc.

It soon became clear that the majority of people are not interested in changing their eating habits, no matter how many times you try to persuade them otherwise.

In the end, I simply gave up trying & rarely mention it anymore.

Yes, I will still stick up for the animals & get involved in certain threads on the subject here & there, but most of the time I keep quiet.

As an animal lover, I have made choices on how to live my life and am happy with them. I no longer feel the need to tell others how they should be living theirs. To each his own.

Everybody is tired of the topic being brought up on here, because it's been covered so many times before (a lot of the time by myself!)

It seems to be quite a touchy subject, so creates lots of arguments & bad feeling which is not a good thing.

I would sooner live in peace & harmony with my fellow posters!

[maxxi]

Otta Wrote:

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> Meat eaters don't just

> say "bring me meat"

Unless it's in a kebab shop after closing time on a Friday.

Actually at this time of year it's more like "Bring me flesh and bring me wine..."

[El Pibe]

In fairness James is one of the longest running contributors to the forum, and I don't recall him banging this (boiled animal skin) drum in the past.

Perhaps he just had an urge, or maybe the zeal (not veal!!) of the recent convert.

[Jeremy]

I remember James bringing it up now and again. To be fair I can kind of understand it, as it must be frustrating going to a restaurant and having just the one option. A bit of debate now and then keeps the forum interesting, but... sorry James I think you're being a little confrontational here.

[red devil]

aquarius moon Wrote:

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> It seems to be quite a touchy subject, so creates

> lots of arguments & bad feeling which is not a

> good thing.

It's not the subject that posters get touchy about, it's the preachy manner it's often delivered in...

['bout now]

1 in 5 mains maybe vegetarian but it's hardly a choice is it? More like we suffer vegetarians but you have to eat what we give you, or don't come.

To promote yourself as a sustainable establishment, telling people about your home grown stock and not celebrate some of that on their own seems odd to me.

I'm no veggie by the way, however the lack of choice for a growing market suprises me. I do wish them luck though and when growing conditions improve would hope that they will expand that side of the menu.

[Administrator]

Any chance of moving off Veggies/James and back onto The Patch please?

Edited to add - thanks 'bout now

[Jah Lush]

Can we get back to the original subject please before my head explodes.

[KidKruger]

"To promote yourself as a sustainable establishment, telling people about your home grown stock and not celebrate some of that on their own seems odd to me. "

I think it's more probably a case of which boxes the establishment thinks it should (appear to) tick to gain local favour, if one box is 'home-grown veg' then great, grow that. This doesn't mean that the veg would ONLY appear as a veggie-only option, the other 80% of menu options (meat) could well be accompanied by said home-grown veg. Arguably the claim to home-grown veg could be substantiated by producing a couple of lbs of veg per week of which very little actually makes it onto the tables of diners.

[Sue]

DulwichFox Wrote:

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>

> Even the Foxes know me. :) They follow me home

> and wait outside my house at night.

>

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This is actually true, believe it or not.

We know Dulwich Fox and last night saw a fox lying on the pavement outside his house waiting for him to come him (which he did, as we bumped into him after the fireworks).

[James]

Re-read my posts and yes I think I was a bit confrontational. Sorry if it came across that way.

And to be honest, I am quite heartened by the enlightened views on here from veggies and meat-eaters alike.

Right, end of veggie debate, I promise.

So when is the Patch opening again? Properly I mean?

[Jah Lush]

According to their Facebook page the opening proper on November 12th.

[James]

Aha. Will be interesting to hear what the food is actually like after all this conjecture!

[Sue]

KidKruger Wrote:

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Arguably the claim to home-grown

> veg could be substantiated by producing a couple

> of lbs of veg per week of which very little

> actually makes it onto the tables of diners.

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Yes, The Patch hardly has a garden the size of Le Manoir aux Quatres Saisons, does it?

Have they installed their vertical growing system yet? (The Patch, not Le Manoir :) )

http://www.manoir.com/web/olem/le_manoir_gardens.jsp

"The 100% organic garden is certified by the Soil Association. It supplies 90 types of fresh salads and vegetables to the restaurant during the late spring, summer and autumn. These include vegetable indigenous to South-East Asia to achieve Raymond?s distinct, exotic flavours."

[NewWave]

I agree with Zebedee Tring-This is actually becoming tedious, and has gone WAY off the topic of the new restaurant.

I'm not a vegetarian but I still find it a bit childish winding up those who are.

I agree that 20% of the menu given to a vegetarian option sounds fair, but when the reality is only one dish it really is a bit lame, I think two options would be fairer.

I also really feel there is a need for an Ottolenghi style restaurant to open in the area, somewhere producing lovely fresh tapas style dishes, with perhaps one or two meat and fish options.