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[Jah Lush]

Oh, FFS!

[numbers]

What Jah said.

Wtf should any new place have to 'feel a need' to conform towards/provide an ottolenghi (or anyone else's standard)?

Good luck to the patch.

[KidKruger]

I really feel there is a need for a West Tibetan style restaurant to open in the area, somewhere producing lovely fresh momos and creamy butter tea, with perhaps one or two of their fried savouries. It's outrageous that no-one has provided this yet.

[El Pibe]

I can't believe there isn't a treaditional Icelandic restaurant serving H?karl (putrified shark) and Brenniv?n (80 proof firewater) to wash it down with. It's a travesty that us decomparians are being overlooked so.

[James]

NewWave makes a perfectly reasonable point. Perhaps you are still dining in the 70s, in which case I feel sorry for you that le Moulin has closed.

[Otta]

Pie N Mash, that's what we need, pie and bloody mash!!!!!

[mako]

It's been suggested above that E.D is a bit of a meat fest but I actually think it's short of somewhere to get a really good steak. Am I missing somewhere?

[*Bob*]

Vegetarian-baiting is fun, of course. But let's be fair: anyone who wouldn't actually welcome an Ottolenghi-type affair in place of one of the 300 shit curry houses we currently have - must be crackers.

In fairness to the meat gang, Ottolenghi does not offer 'one or two' non-veg dishes. Veggies are well catered for, but the restaurant bias is still meat & fish. And were we to be able to see the figures - I bet meat and fish orders account for a considerably greater share of the profits.

[steveo]

Otta Wrote:

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> Pie N Mash, that's what we need, pie and bloody

> mash!!!!!

Goddard's the sadly missed pie and mash in Greenwich has reopened

[KidKruger]

steveo - in the same location or elsewhere/nearby ?

loved that place.

[James]

You could be right about Ottolenghi Bob but I do think a fundamental shift in people's eating habits is beginning to occur, and the more enlightened restaurants are responding to it. There is also the counter-trend for posh burgers (meat liquor and so on). My point is we need both to satisfy people's demands. I would be far happier if meat-eaters went for organic, responsibly-sourced meat than some of the low-grade stuff on offer that's unnecessarily cruel, unhealthy and poor quality.

However I still believe many people's idea of vegetarian food is based on outdated stereotypes and misconceptions. It's a shame when this includes restauranteurs as they ought to know better.

[steveo]

KidKruger Wrote:

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> steveo - in the same location or elsewhere/nearby

> ?

> loved that place.

Elesewhere, opposite the park gates

[*Bob*]

My eating habits have been a mix of vegetarian / meat / fish - in fairly equal quantities - for some time. I feel like a sack of shit if I eat loads of meat all week, like on holiday sometimes.

But even An Enlightened One such as myself won't order vegetarian food in a restaurant (certainly not as a main) because I identify 'eating out' with treats - of the meaty and fishy sort.

[mako]

James, most meat eaters would be happier eating organic high quality meat, and if it would make you far happier then feel free to pay me the difference and I will eat exclusively meat that you describe. There is a fundamental trend that per capita consumption of meat is going up. Is this the trend you are referring to?

[Otta]

steveo Wrote:

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> KidKruger Wrote:

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> > steveo - in the same location or

> elsewhere/nearby

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> > loved that place.

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> Elesewhere, opposite the park gates

Great news, I used to like that place when I worked for Greenwich Social Services. The original place is a GBK now isn't it?

I rarely get to Greenwich these days, but next time I do, I now know what I'll be having for lunch.

[Jah Lush]

There's always Manze in Peckham if you fancy a bit of pie n' mash nearer to home.

[maxxi]

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> Right, end of veggie debate, I promise

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steveo Wrote:

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> Otta Wrote:

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> > Pie N Mash, that's what we need, pie and bloody

> > mash!!!!!

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> Goddard's the sadly missed pie and mash in

> Greenwich has reopened

There is a Goddards and a Manzies 10mins up the road both on Deptford High St

[steveo]

Yes but I like to be at 0 degrees longitude when I eat a pie

[Otta]

I work in the East End ;-)

[titch juicy]

*Bob* Wrote:

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> My eating habits have been a mix of vegetarian /

> meat / fish - in fairly equal quantities - for

> some time. I feel like a sack of shit if I eat

> loads of meat all week, like on holiday sometimes.

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> But even An Enlightened One such as myself won't

> order vegetarian food in a restaurant (certainly

> not as a main) because I identify 'eating out'

> with treats - of the meaty and fishy sort.

More or less exactly this.

[James]

We have been culturally programmed to see some foods as treats and this indoctrination means that many people won't accept meat-free meals. It's the same reason many children (particularly disadvantaged ones) are so addicted to sweets and processed foods. It's all culturally relative. This explains why diets vary so much from one part of the world to another.

[Jeremy]

Damn our western culture... programming us to enjoy food which tastes good...

[Dopamine1979]

Meat-eaters vs Veggies.

This debate is as entertaining as ever.

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[James]

Missing the point Jeremy. 'What tastes good' is a culturally relative notion... largely based on what you were brought up with as a child.