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Vegetarian-baiting is fun, of course. But let's be fair: anyone who wouldn't actually welcome an Ottolenghi-type affair in place of one of the 300 shit curry houses we currently have - must be crackers.


In fairness to the meat gang, Ottolenghi does not offer 'one or two' non-veg dishes. Veggies are well catered for, but the restaurant bias is still meat & fish. And were we to be able to see the figures - I bet meat and fish orders account for a considerably greater share of the profits.

You could be right about Ottolenghi Bob but I do think a fundamental shift in people's eating habits is beginning to occur, and the more enlightened restaurants are responding to it. There is also the counter-trend for posh burgers (meat liquor and so on). My point is we need both to satisfy people's demands. I would be far happier if meat-eaters went for organic, responsibly-sourced meat than some of the low-grade stuff on offer that's unnecessarily cruel, unhealthy and poor quality.


However I still believe many people's idea of vegetarian food is based on outdated stereotypes and misconceptions. It's a shame when this includes restauranteurs as they ought to know better.

My eating habits have been a mix of vegetarian / meat / fish - in fairly equal quantities - for some time. I feel like a sack of shit if I eat loads of meat all week, like on holiday sometimes.


But even An Enlightened One such as myself won't order vegetarian food in a restaurant (certainly not as a main) because I identify 'eating out' with treats - of the meaty and fishy sort.

James, most meat eaters would be happier eating organic high quality meat, and if it would make you far happier then feel free to pay me the difference and I will eat exclusively meat that you describe. There is a fundamental trend that per capita consumption of meat is going up. Is this the trend you are referring to?

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> Elesewhere, opposite the park gates



Great news, I used to like that place when I worked for Greenwich Social Services. The original place is a GBK now isn't it?


I rarely get to Greenwich these days, but next time I do, I now know what I'll be having for lunch.

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There is a Goddards and a Manzies 10mins up the road both on Deptford High St

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> My eating habits have been a mix of vegetarian /

> meat / fish - in fairly equal quantities - for

> some time. I feel like a sack of shit if I eat

> loads of meat all week, like on holiday sometimes.

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> But even An Enlightened One such as myself won't

> order vegetarian food in a restaurant (certainly

> not as a main) because I identify 'eating out'

> with treats - of the meaty and fishy sort.



More or less exactly this.

We have been culturally programmed to see some foods as treats and this indoctrination means that many people won't accept meat-free meals. It's the same reason many children (particularly disadvantaged ones) are so addicted to sweets and processed foods. It's all culturally relative. This explains why diets vary so much from one part of the world to another.

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