Hipsters

[BrandNewGuy]

RosieH Wrote:

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> And Otta - dressing up is for kids? Singularly

> joyless. I'm currently torn between wearing my

> velvet minnie mouse ears or my red velvet Snow

> White bow headband for the Godfathers gig tonight.

I'll look out for you. I'm torn between my funeral suit or my man-at-Cotton-Traders middle-aged dad look...

[RosieH]

Otta Wrote:

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> Dressing up for a gig or a party is one thing.

> Dressing up to walk down the street so people will

> look at you is quite another.

>

> But I think we've all got the message Rosie,

> you're like, uber cool and way more tuned in than

> the rest of us. Bravo.

I'm really not. I used to be - I used to be on first name terms with the doormen at the Hacienda, but that was 20 years ago. I now have Limahl on my gym playlist and I love Poirot and Death in Paradise (kudos, MikeP).

But I've reached an age where I don't care so much what people think about me - I wear what I like when I like, I wear clothes that make me happy, and I might bring out a headband or a 1960s housecoat when I'm just walking down the street. You know what, legwarmers keep my legs warm, AND they make me feel like I'm in a Jane Fonda video. SCORE!

You're as likely to think I look preposterous as I am to think your short sleeved shirts are horrid. But they wouldn't make me want to smack you in the face, which is something you've expressed on here.

I just like people who have fun and don't sneer at other people. I can't think that sneering feels very much like fun, so it's just not for me. But the rest of you, fill your boots.

And BNG, I've settled on the red velvet bow - come find me. I'll buy you a pint of unironic beer.

[Otta]

RosieH Wrote:

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> But I've reached an age where I don't care so much

> what people think about me

And that right there is where you're different from the people we're talking about.

[Otta]

And I don't really wear short sleeved shirts. I own one. , like you, wear what I am comfortable in, safe in the knowledge that no one is ever going to whisper to their friend "check out that stylish guy".

I've never really been on trend. I still loved Guns N Roses and guitar solos when I was supposed to like Nirvana.

[LadyDeliah]

I still don't get why people give a shit about what other people wear or the tribe they want to belong to, to be honest. Life is too short.

If that kind of stuff gets you gritting your teeth or wanting to hit people, I suggest you find something more interesting to do with your own life. Sex seems to help. Maybe you'll give less of a shit if you were getting some.

[Seabag]

Otta Wrote:

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> no one is ever

> going to whisper to their friend "check out that

> stylish guy".

You think so, not even 'ironically' ?

Your're part of the 'honestly, I don't give a damn' style tribe already

I met another one last night on The Crustconductor, but this one was wet/sweaty/drunk and deffo part of the same movement

He 'didn't give a damn' either and reminded me of that regularly during the evening

[Otta]

Why did you stay in his company for the evening?

[Otta]

Seabag Wrote:

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> Your're part of the 'honestly, I don't give a

> damn' style tribe already

No I'm not, I do give a damn. I worry as much as the next person about looking okay when I go out. I just don't care about what a particular trend dictates that I wear, and wear what I feel good in, which according to Rosie is horrid.

[titch juicy]

RosieH Wrote:

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> Heh, no it's not. 1988?! I'm a little too young

> for that, you mofos! But thanks, Quidlington -

> does look like me and I did sport a spiral perm at

> the time.

>

> Now then, Peebster, I know you are sincere, but

> how can I put this kindly? On this, you're an

> idiot! I think you're drawing too many inferences

> based on your own hypothesis. Victoriana has been

> a thing for ages. The nice Time for Tea man on

> Shoreditch High Street has been sporting his

> handsome moustaches for years - once considered an

> eccentricity, now a subject for ridicule by the

> be-gileted masses? Are Steampunkers hipsters?

> Where do the neon 80s revivalists and the

> lumberjacks fit with your workhouse appropriation

> narrative? What makes you so sure that other

> people's love of tweed is ironic where David

> Carnell's is virtuous?

>

> At university in psychoanalysis, we learned to

> draw conclusions from the evidence before us, not

> seek to find confirmation of our own supposition!

> (apply winky face, if you can bear it)

>

> I'm good friends with many people a lot of

> commenters on this thread would call hipsters.

> Artists, musicians, DJs, actors, film makers, tech

> entrepreneurs, weird 'quirky' events organisers in

> their 20s, 30s, 40s and 50s. Without exception,

> they are pursuing their passions with conviction

> and determination, and they are genuine and

> enthusiastic when others do likewise.

>

> Not one of them is living off the "bank of mummy

> and daddy" (hmm, cliche much?).

>

> There is a joy about them, because they're having

> fun and loving what they do. It's refreshing and

> inspiring and something that is utterly lacking

> from this thread. Without exception, I have never

> once heard any of them sneer at anyone else,

> again, something I cannot say about this thread,

> some of which makes for pretty ugly reading.

>

> And Otta - dressing up is for kids? Singularly

> joyless. I'm currently torn between wearing my

> velvet minnie mouse ears or my red velvet Snow

> White bow headband for the Godfathers gig tonight.

I've found love on Valentine's Day

[Otta]

> I'm good friends with many people a lot of

> commenters on this thread would call hipsters.

> Artists, musicians, DJs, actors, film makers, tech

> entrepreneurs, weird 'quirky' events organisers in

> their 20s, 30s, 40s and 50s. Without exception,

> they are pursuing their passions with conviction

> and determination, and they are genuine and

> enthusiastic when others do likewise.

None of those sound like the people I'm thinking of. I think half the problem is that no one is talking about the same people.

[Seabag]

I'm guessing it's anyone daring to sport a "look" that's up for derision here

[Horsebox]

Seabag Wrote:

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> I'm guessing it's anyone daring to sport a "look"

> that's up for derision here

Yes. How dare they, the utter bastards.

[Otta]

Has any of this actually been bile spitting hatred? The answer is no.

When I use a term like "makes me want to slap them" it's not like I see these people and genuinely have an urge to physically do them harm.

But now this thread has turned in to somewhere for the enlightened to show how above petty judgements they are (and to just be openly rude to specific people).

I'm totally confused now anyway, as "Hipster" now seems to be describing everyone remotely arty (God even I'm a bit creative) or who goes out in East London.

[MrBen]

It's entirely possible to pursue your dreams, be independently creative and self actualise to some extent....whilst looking like a total square.

(Not sure a headband would improve my lot tbh)

[Robert Poste's Child]

On no, I went to Hoxton last week! I'm going to flagellate myself immediately.

[Seabag]

Basically it's jealously lite

How dare you, whilst 'we' struggle within the othodox uniform

And "you lot" get to express yourselves/be successful/do what you like/move

[LadyDeliah]

Seabag Wrote:

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> Basically it's jealously lite

>

> How dare you, whilst 'we' struggle within the

> othodox uniform

>

> And "you lot" get to express yourselves/be

> successful/do what you like/move

I reckon this about sums it up.

[Seabag]

Otta Wrote:

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> Why did you stay in his company for the evening?

I know his work and he's very funny (in measured doses) when off his face

Even funnier when he insists on riding in the back of my pick-up in the rain

Thankfully it was only a short trip from Brick Brewery to The Gowlett

[Otta]

Riding on the back of a pick up in the rain sounds fun.

[MrBen]

Seabag = Hipster

Anyway....I'll see all you out-of-shape middle-aged suburban pub-dads soon. On the basis of Rosie single handedly winning this one I'm off to hang with her dressed up as a dinosaur.

And if the rest of you don't like it that's fine, I'll leave you to mumble about the weather and gentrification into your pint of bishops sock.

[Jeremy]

Seabag Wrote:

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> And "you lot" get to express yourselves/be successful

It only gets my goat when it's not so much "expressing yourself", and more following a uniform and becoming a walking cliche. Not exclusive to these hipster types of course... I felt much the same way about most "tribes". Punk, casuals, metallers, "madchester", whatever.

[jomou]

I haven't read every page so apologies if I'm repeating something already said, but I just have to laugh at the irony of Otta criticising the 'hipsters' at DHFC with an argument that boils down to "I liked Dulwich Hamlets before it was cool".

I think I know who the real hipster is here...

[Jeremy]

Otta is the hipster's hipster.

[Otta]

jomou Wrote:

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> I haven't read every page so apologies if I'm

> repeating something already said, but I just have

> to laugh at the irony of Otta criticising the

> 'hipsters' at DHFC with an argument that boils

> down to "I liked Dulwich Hamlets before it was

> cool".

>

> I think I know who the real hipster is here...

You're 10 pages out of date mate. I've since made friends with all the people talking about DHFC on pages 1 and 2.

Peace

[miga]

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