New Shops in Dulwich / Peckham

[Jeremy]

Le Moulin was a lot of things, but "a great restaurant" is pushing it a little, surely?

[Louisa]

Why should I change the record when all the places that appeal to me are either going or gone, and replaced with shops I don't see a need in using. Functional places such as Iceland disappearing from the high street, great little family run restaurant like le moulin which by the way DID address its client base and was VERY popular but just failed to attract the new people into the area. I make UKIPs case for them do I? The new ED seems to make the case for champagne socialism in that case too, sneering urban guardian readers claiming to support the needs of the working class and then removing everything they hold dear to them at the same time.

Louisa.

[simonethebeaver]

The other day you were complaining about schools being built in the area though. This will happen if an area continues to thrive, and grow. I appreciate you feel sad at the loss of establishments you know well and care about, and I've lived here long enough myself to find the pace of change a bit much at times, but nowhere stays the same. Nowhere.

[steveo]

What killed the Moulin was a rent review

[Louisa]

Spot on steveo. Nothing to do with the business failing.

Louisa.

[*Bob*]

Louisa Wrote:

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.. le moulin .. was VERY popular but

> just failed to attract the new people into the

> area.

To be fair, you personally put quite a few of their new potential customers off by way of your EDF contributions 'on their behalf' back in the day.

[legalbeagle]

I thinks lots of people do not realise how much rent now is on the Lane.

[cle]

Iceland held dear?

Talk about dramatic, emotive drivel. I wish you would move somewhere earthy like Gravesend to be with your great people... or at least cut your wifi.

[BrandNewGuy]

If the rents have been hiked, I'd love to see how long a lamb and halloumi wrap business lasts in this location. Actually, even if they haven't been hiked.

[Baggs]

What did you to piss off Giles Coren Louisa? He has had a right go at you in TimeOut...

http://now-here-this.timeout.com/2015/01/20/giles-coren-they-are-determined-to-keep-london-shitty/?DCMP=OTC-cid=com-coren

[Earl Aelfheah]

Louisa, how can you criticise the people you are constantly sneering at, of sneering and keep a straight face?

[Penguin68]

Just to wuote the best bit from Mr Coren

Well, they are ladies and gents of a certain age, who for most of their lives lived in a London of closed boozers, awful food, stinky communal pissoirs, graffitied public buildings, incipient sexism and racism, and danger on every corner. And they are just so jealous about the great things their children?s generation are doing to this city that they want to nip progress in the bud by objecting to damn near everything. They want to turn the clocks back to a time that they somehow perceive as having been more ?real?, because it was their own miserable reality growing up, and they want it to be ours.

[Dopamine1979]

Baggs Wrote:

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> What did you to piss off Giles Coren Louisa? He

> has had a right go at you in TimeOut...

>

> http://now-here-this.timeout.com/2015/01/20/giles-

> coren-they-are-determined-to-keep-london-shitty/?D

> CMP=OTC-cid=com-coren

In the past I've accused Louisa of trolling which she still does to a degree (use of phrases like 'posh tat for the blow in clapham folk' for example) but I can actually see her point.

[Earl Aelfheah]

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[Louisa]

Baggs I've just read that article. I'm going to do a bit of a Katie Hopkins twist now, the first name of the journalist sums up for me the type of person we are dealing with in ED. Classic blow-in Home Counties type who want to transform everything and save nothing. If I'm the bane of the guardianista with my "it's not like it was in my day", this chap is the polarised opposite.

The fact is rents have been hiked because of a domino effect involving estate agents and gentrifying. Some great local businesses vanishing and being replaced by a business which can afford to pay the extra. The likes of cle can't bare people like me because I'm the final obstacle in transforming this neighbourhood into a clapham-utopia. You might not use Iceland, good for you. A lot of others do and although it's a bit of a stretch to say its held dear, it is a convenient place for many people who like bargains. It's ok for me I drive, I can go elsewhere, not everyone else can. Where's their voice? Bit patronising to call Gravesend earthy too. The insinuation that only a certain type of person lives there, no different to my assumptions over the new folk of ED (most of which is tongue in cheek anyway).

Louisa.

[simonethebeaver]

Giles Coren grew up in Cricklewood.

[steveo]

And he's not funny

[simonethebeaver]

I pass no other comment on him or his article, but he's not a Home-Counties blow-in.

[Baggs]

Good response Louisa. Most of what Giles Coren writes is also tongue in cheek, and mostly just a long intro to a final line pay off - I wouldn't take it too seriously, even if it does touch a nerve.

People see value in different things. I don't see Iceland as providing bargains, although I admit it is cheap. It is a shame that local businesses are disappearing, but great to see new local businesses emerging. No-one wants a homogenised high-street on LL, no-one wants another Clapham, but that doesn't mean we should shit on anything new.

[Jeremy]

What's the point in insisting that Le Moulin was popular and there was nothing wrong with their business model, if someone else can (presumably) make the place work with 2015 rents?

I dare say that the new place won't be aimed at people like Louisa... but then, not many restaurants are these days...

[Louisa]

Jeremy the trouble is, people of my ilk still represent a sizeable proportion of the population who would still use these establishments, and we are left high and dry as a result of rising commercial rents. And you're right, I wouldn't fancy eating a wrap whatever that is.

Louisa.

[Jeremy]

Louisa Wrote:

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> Jeremy the trouble is, people of my ilk still

> represent a sizeable proportion of the population

> who would still use these establishments

Well not enough of your ilk were using it! Otherwise it wouldn't have closed. The couple of times I went in there (weekends) it was pretty empty.

> I wouldn't fancy eating a wrap whatever that is.

Now you're just being silly..

[steveo]

I'll spell it out; they had a rent hike, they were of a certain age and it triggered their retirement. The landlord's son was going to try something in there originally but it looks like he's leased it out.

Who knows if it'll work? I hope it does because it looks like a brave leap for a street food business.

[BrandNewGuy]

steveo Wrote:

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> Who knows if it'll work? I hope it does because it

> looks like a brave leap for a street food

> business.

'Brave' ? polite word meaning 'bloody stupid'.

[adsyb99]

Bit harsh BNG, there's been quite a few street food vendors who have made a very successful transition. Meat Liquor, Burger Bear, Pizza Pilgrims etc......