Has anyone tried the Alpha course?

[Bizzy]

Keef

I can't say what people want to hear. that would just be wrong ;-)

[snorky]

I am not a huge fan of J. hari, in the Indie, he does bleat on a bit, but this morning comment was pretty interesting & somewehat relevant with the use of the Toleance world being bandied about

INdie

[annaj]

Bizzy, really? I mean, honestly, you're serious?

Based on a few posts of a couple of lines each and the fact that I don't share your faith, you're prepared to dismiss me entirely as closed minded?

I'm speechless.

Except to say, that, Alanis, is ironic!

[Bizzy]

So what, you can congratulate me for confirming your belief that there is no God? I just made a comment on your posts, you made a comment on decision in life!

[Keef]

I think I may need to step back from this thread now... I will say though Bizzy, I am pleased you have your faith, and should anyone try to put you down for it, they are wrong.

HOWEVER, a Christian who won't accept the possibility that it is all just a nonsense is every bit as bad as a patronising atheist who refuses to accept the possibility of anything outside of proven science!

I prefer to accept that some things are proven fact (or at least far more proven than a bible story), yet I leave myself open to belief in a higher being. This doesn't make me perfect, but it makes me accepting of others, something that I think a lot of people on both sides of this thread are not.

[annaj]

Right.

First, I didn't say that I beleive there is no god. I said I no longer believe in the christian church. There is a difference.

Second, I made no comment on your decision in life, I made a comment on the way you have chosen to express and defend your views and how off putting and alienating I found it. That is an opinion, not a judgement.

As I said, you know nothing about me, or what I think or feel.

Edited for typos

[Bizzy]

Keef,

I have tried to express the fact that people outside Christianity do have their own beliefs. I can see that you respect other people?s beliefs. There is a common notion for people to think that if someone talks about Christianity, they are preaching and nothing else.

I know I'm *trying* to answer questions but why do people see my answers as a put down? Think of my posts as being someone of the Christian faith *trying* to explain why he believes.

[Bizzy]

Annaj

You got your wires crossed. I'm not getting into an argument about this. Life is too short.

[Keef]

Fair enough Bizzy, but I still say that NO ONE has ever lived 950 years! :))

Anyway, I'll let others join in this thread now, may come back later...

[snorky]

Bizzy Wrote:

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> Annaj

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> By the tone of your posts it's quite obvious.

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> Snorky

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> As I have said before i'm not trying to convert on

> this board. Get it right.

then you are not follwing the words of your mate Jesus & not being a proper forelock tugguing christian

" Go ye therefore and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost; Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen." Matthew 28:18-20

[Mark]

Keef Wrote:

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> ... I still say that NO ONE has ever lived 950 years! :))

You can't disprove it Keef so it's a possibility. Even if we know it's impossible in the eyes and minds of some it may be true.

[Brendan]

Nobody can eat 50 eggs.

[Keef]

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Keef Wrote:

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> ... I still say that NO ONE has ever lived 950 years!

You can't disprove it Keef so it's a possibility. Even if we know it's impossible in the eyes and minds of some it may be true.

Touche,

However, millions and millions and muillions of people have lived to nowhere near that age, so whilst it could be possible, I think that stands as pretty good proof.

[Bizzy]

Nice to see you reading some scriptures! >:D<

I don't want to scare anyone on this board, hence no attempt to convert. It's not very sincere if you quote something you don't believe in :-S

[mockney piers]

We can see that medical advances are pretty amazing, and within time an age of 950 years might be possible as we unlock the genetics of the ageing process.

If we also posit that time travel maayyyyyy juuust be possible one day, then I guess it's possible that Noah, Moses, Methuselah and all the other long-lived people may have been visitors from the future.

In fact God may be a super evolved being from the future (and he's trying to hide that from us, hence his objection to Evolution...why he didn't just crush Darwin at birth I don't know) who went back to a previous/parallel universe and destroyed it to give birtth to ours...oooh paradoxes galore.

But go on, thery and disprove my theory, go on...you can't!!

Excellent, perfect relativism, nothing can be absolutely true therefore nothing can be absolutely false.

Except the 50 eggs thing.

[????]

I can eat 50 mini Creme eggs...I reckon:-S

[Peckhamgatecrasher]

'Fraid you're doomed Quids. Gluttony is a definite no, no.

[SeanMacGabhann]

But then again is it not wrong to hide ones talents ?

[Peckhamgatecrasher]

Only under a bushel.

[SimonM]

Typical EDF...everything always comes back to estate agents...

[PeckhamRose]

Channel Four Jon Ronson 7pm Sunday 28th June 2009.

Watch it on 4oD.

[Marmora Man]

PR - damn! Meant to record this - did it / will it (if I can find it on On Demand TV) confirm my prejudices about the Alpha course that it's a load of old twaddle?

PS: Did you see in today's Times that Richard Dawkins is subsidising atheist summer camps - most of my Scout camps were on the atheist side - when we weren't putting up tents and cooking dampers we were checking out the local pubs, scrumpy and girls at the chip shop.

[PeckhamRose]

I pray this works....

Ho ho ho

It's 4oD last night's programme Sunday 28th June about the Alpha Course.

It was interesting, but more for the sort of people who went, rather than the predictable ones who ran it.

I am not a NLP expert (tho I'd go on a course if there was one available), but was there any NLP in this programme?

I am sure Mr Ronson would have spotted it.

Anyway, er, 'enjoy'!

Next week it's Muslims.

[Shu.Kurimu.Sensei]

Religion - what a load of old shite.

[Jah Lush]

Don't join dangerous cults: Practice safe sects!