E-petition re fireworks

[edcam]

bonniebird Wrote:

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> For me it's all about the bangs and noise, I am

> worrying about things that matter edcam, it

> matters to me and I count.

On the scale of things that matter I think most would rate this pretty low down.

[mako]

Has this petition been started by a clever marketing company who want a mailing list of a certain type?

[Mustard]

mako Wrote:

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> Has this petition been started by a clever

> marketing company who want a mailing list of a

> certain type?

According to the petition it was started by a woman who is a dog owner and trainer.

[Mustard]

Robert Poste's Child Wrote:

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> I'm totally bored with the nightly fireworks too,

> but surely the existing laws on environmental

> health / noise / pollution / antisocial behaviour

> are enough for the Council to act if they get

> complaints? Banning them would just be criticised

> as more nanny state, and the injuries are unlikely

> to be high enough to make it a priority anyway, so

> I'm not convinced this is a realistic way to

> tackle the situation.

In my opinion, and more than 24,000 other people, the laws are not adequate. I was gobsmacked when I realised how lax they were when I researched them recently. If the petition allows them to be redrawn so they are more stringent, then I think that is a good thing.

[mako]

Mustard Wrote:

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> mako Wrote:

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> > Has this petition been started by a clever

> > marketing company who want a mailing list of a

> > certain type?

>

> According to the petition it was started by a

> woman who is a dog owner and trainer.

Is that not what the marketing company would say to get their group?

[Mustard]

Mako,

not sure what point you are trying to make. I agree with the petition, and so do lots of other people.

If I start getting lots of marketing bumpf, then will be sure to let you know. So far, so good.

[mako]

Perhaps it is a really clever move from a fireworks company as despite not being that keen on fireworks, it has given me a strong urge to go and mindlessly set some off in my garden.

24,000 not really a significamnt number in relation to the literally millions who spend their hard earned on fireworks/go to displays.

[Mustard]

Going to displays is different than letting them off mindlessly in your back garden as long as they are supervised or done by competent people.

[Mustard]

Here is another petition:=

https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/ban-the-bang-in-fireworks-received-and-sold-in-the-uk

[mako]

Mustard Wrote:

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> Going to displays is different than letting them

> off mindlessly in your back garden as long as they

> are supervised or done by competent people.

What about going to a display in a competent persons garden. Surely this is ok

[Vik]

Where do we stand with display organisers mindlessly setting off fireworks at an organised display?

[KidKruger]

I struggle with the proposition that by letting-off fireworks in a garden one is automatically mindless.

I sympathise with the frustration with fireworks 'out of hours', but one doesn't translate exactly into the other, sorry.

[Blah Blah]

When I was a youngster, every corner shop sold fireworks. It was easy for kids to get hold of them. Hundreds of them ended up in hospitals after accidents. The government made campaign adverts on health and safety around fireworks, it was that big a problem. Every other street lit a bonfire and the fire brigade were overstretched trying to put out the ones that got out of control. So to say current laws are inadaquate is just BS. They were made in reaction to real issues with fireworks.

We live in a city of 6.5 milion people. There will be NOISE. There are far more serious things to campaign for than some killjoy crusade over a few fireworks let off in the privacy of someones own garden over a few weeks of the year.

[titch juicy]

Perhaps there should be some sort of test at the firework shop counter to see if the intended purchaser is mindless or otherwise?

[KidKruger]

They'd just need to ask "are you going to set these fireworks off in your garden ?".

"Well yes, of course I am".

"Sorry Madam, we cannot sell these fireworks to you. You see, you've just qualified as 'mindless by intent'".

[Mustard]

Blah Blah Wrote:

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> When I was a youngster, every corner shop sold

> fireworks. It was easy for kids to get hold of

> them. Hundreds of them ended up in hospitals after

> accidents. The government made campaign adverts on

> health and safety around fireworks, it was that

> big a problem. Every other street lit a bonfire

> and the fire brigade were overstretched trying to

> put out the ones that got out of control. So to

> say current laws are inadaquate is just BS. They

> were made in reaction to real issues with

> fireworks.

>

> We live in a city of 6.5 milion people. There will

> be NOISE. There are far more serious things to

> campaign for than some killjoy crusade over a few

> fireworks let off in the privacy of someones own

> garden over a few weeks of the year.

Noise is subjectve - Fireworks that sound like rockets and bombs going off for more than an hour are torture. A pretty display with a bit of wooshing is different, noisewise, and possibly safety wise.

After reading the laws on fireworks, I cannot see how they are better than they were before, whatever they were before. Nothing to stop older kids buying them for younger ones. Even if they are only sold on a few days a year, then there isn't anything to stop people stockpiling them to set off at other times. The current laws allow fireworks to be let off for 16+ hours a day.

[StraferJack]

Mustard, you should meet fazer71. I think you would get on

[Mustard]

The plane noises don't bother me as I don't live at the same end of ED he does, however I do have sympathy for him.

[StraferJack]

I have sympathy for both of you

[Blah Blah]

I just think it's not that big a deal StraferJack. It's not every day, all year round. And I do think some people expect too much tranquility, from what is a major urban conurbation.

[StraferJack]

I didn't have sympathy because of the fireworks blah blah....

[mako]

mustard please say you have something better to do than read firework laws or else i might cry. To put your mind at rest no-one is stockpiling fireworks for their younger siblings to let off 16 hours a day.

[maxxi]

I started a petition to ban the voices in my head but got nowhere - even though they all signed. It's madness.

[titch juicy]

StraferJack Wrote:

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> I have sympathy for both of you

hahahahaha!

[Otta]

Blah Blah Wrote:

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> The government made campaign adverts on

> health and safety around fireworks, it was that

> big a problem.

Even as a 36 year old man I still feel quite nervous of sparklers since the ad in the 80s where the girl picked one up off the floor and ended up with her hand all bandaged up.