Nappy changing in local eatery (Lounged)

[Lizziedjango]

I do not know what Louisa means when she says 'breastfeeding women making a point of it'.

I'd say it's a rarity a woman doing that. More often, they are self conscious and paranoid fearing the kinds of attitudes that prevail against what they are doing.

But I also agree that it is one's right not to want to see a woman breastfeeding. Even though I never showed ANY of my breast while doing it, I never did it in front of my father-in-law. In fact, whenever I breastfed in public, you couldn't really tell I was doing it. I respect that it can make some people feel uncomfortable.

But I wonder how many (men) feel quite so 'uncomfortable' ogling women's breasts in magazines, newspapers and websites.

Hm.

**Microbite I have never encountered any women like the ones of which you speak...(Phew).

[georgia]

Why are people uncomfortable about seeing women breastfeeding and yet everywhere you look these days in newspapers and magazines there are half-naked women, but noone seems to complain about that being disgusting or offensive.

[microbite]

You have obviously never shopped at the Glades in Bromley a good few years back then!

[Lizziedjango]

No I have never shopped at the Glades in Bromley - if that comment was directed at me!

[DaveR]

So are we all agreed that, in a cafe or restaurant, the toilet is the best place for changing a baby's nappy......and for feeding that same baby?

Or is it another thread started by the man who honestly doesn't hate children? (welcome back, domitianus)

[BlueOne]

Good point, but I think you will find there are plenty of people who feel very uncomfortable with being confronted with images of half naked women in crappy newspapers, 'upmarket' magazines, billboards, sides of vans etc etc!

[bignumber5]

Mikecg Wrote:

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> No Bignumber5

>

> Your missing the point.

Am I? So sorry.

For the record, here is my point:

Shit around food is unhygienic. Boobs around food are not. Boobs do not dispense waste products that spread disease, they dispense nourishment for very little people. And personally, I don't find breasts offensive in appearance. I don't find children eating to be an offensive concept. So I'm not offended by public breast-feeding.

I can understand that some might, particularly cultures and religions in which the exposure of the human body is not the done thing, and I would expect any woman currently breast-feeding who is visiting Tehran to consider very carefully how proudly they wish to stand up for their right to feed their child in public.

But we live in Dulwich.

[microbite]

The point I think everyone is trying to make basically is, that breastfeeding is ok, but cleaning shitty nappys in food establishments in full view of everyone while they are trying to eat is not. Louisa you have obviously not had kids yet, and while I understand people saying they feel embarressed watching women feeding their babies, then guess what, don't look! rather that than having some little one reaching fever pitch howling because he/she is starving!

[????]

I dunno, but it strikes me if you're in an inner london middleclass family suburb like East Dulwich, and the trauma of the sight of a woman breastfeeding tends to ruin your day, you should probably be somwhere else.....

[honk]

microbite Wrote:

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> The point I think everyone is trying to make

> basically is, that breastfeeding is ok and

> cleaning shitty nappys in food establishments in

> view of everyone while they are trying to eat is

> not. Louisa you have obviously not had kids yet,

> and while I understand people saying they feel

> embarressed watching women feeding their babies,

> then guess what, don't look! rather that than

> having some little one reaching fever pitch

> because he/she is starving!

Agreed...

We are verging close to a Dulwich Taliban with some of the points on this thread.

common sense dictates that nappy changing is something for the restroom, hence the prevalence of 'nappy changing facilities' therin, and not on the end of restaurant tables.

[Lizziedjango]

No DaveR, I do not think that women should breastfeed their babies in the toilet.

However, they should change their baby's nappy in the changing area (if there is one). Originally I felt the OP was kicking up a bit of a stink about nothing, but in hindsight (and after reading the post more throughly), I am of the opinion that said nappy changing woman should have used the changing area instead of a table.

[microbite]

Why should women have to hide in filthy toilets to feed their little ones surrounded by pissy floor and stinky toilets, how would you like to eat your dinner in one?

[Lizziedjango]

Yes ????, I think such people who are so offended by breastfeeding should go and live in Penge. or Croydon. Or Merthyr Tydfil. I would expect there to be less of it in places like that.

[BlueOne]

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I dunno, but it strikes me if you're in an inner london middleclass family suburb like East Dulwich, and the trauma of the sight of a woman breastfeeding tends to ruin your day, you should probably be somwhere else.....

Oh dearie me. Here we go again. "We cannot accomodate views that are not strictly in accordance with our own. if you don't like it, please leave the vicinity".

For the record, non-middle class, non-family individuals have as much right as you to live in East Dulwich, and to live their lives with a world view which may vastly differ from your own.

[Asset]

I don't think the OP said it was on the table, it's being blown into that though. I believe he mentioned the sofa somewhere.

[Cassius]

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> I dunno, but it strikes me if you're in an inner

> london middleclass family suburb like East

> Dulwich

I think the point Louisa would make here, (and forgive me if I am wrong Louisa), is that when she came to live in ED it was not a middle class family suburb. Incidentally that is the same for me - certainly not middle class and full of families in 1985.

[????]

That's laughable blue one - really......a baby being hungry is not 'a view', it needs feeding and it's legal to do that wherether mum's want to ........being uncomfortable with that is a 'view' and you have no ability to do anything about that other than find a non-familily orientated area, get some more liberal and empathetic views or seeth in anger and the very disgust of it......no-one is being forced out of anywhere

[????]

Yeah Cassius and in 1850 it was all field with not a breast in sight

[honk]

Cassius Wrote:

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> ???? Wrote:

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> > I dunno, but it strikes me if you're in an

> inner

> > london middleclass family suburb like East

> > Dulwich

>

> I think the point Louisa would make here, (and

> forgive me if I am wrong Louisa), is that when she

> came to live in ED it was not a middle class

> family suburb. Incidentally that is the same for

> me - certainly not middle class and full of

> families in 1985.

And it still isn't, the middle classes tend to be the most vocal and indignant as a rule is all, so you tend to hear their tireless bleating over everything else.

[????]

I suspect that you can't breastfeed in Kabul

[Lizziedjango]

Will some of you STOp being so bloody classist!

[????]

SE22 not middleclass....and full of families.......mmmmm

[????]

Anyway, can someone else take over the shift now, I'm off out to bugaboo up the pavement and bray loudly about artichokes or something.........

[BlueOne]

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That's laughable blue one - really......a baby being hungry is not 'a view', it needs feeding and it's legal to do that wherether mum's want to ........being uncomfortable with that is a 'view' and you have no ability to do anything about that other than find a non-familily orientated area, get some more liberal and empathetic views or seeth in anger and the very disgust of it......no-one is being forced out of anywhere

Goodness. I think you have totally misunderstood pretty much everything I have posted. Let me spell it out. I am suggesting that perhaps an elderly man, or someone from a culture where breastfeeding is not considered the norm and every woman's right (my view), may not be comfortable with public breastfeeding.This is what I mean by someone who may have a different 'world view', or set of social norms. I still believe they have the right to remain living in the area!

[BlueOne]

Just realised my last thread was poorly constructed and ambiguous, so before i get lynched, my view IS that breastfeeding is the norma and every woman's right! I am just defending the right of people not to share that view!