Quids Said - would you do it?

[giggirl]

Judean People's Front - bunch of fekking splitters

[Tony.London Suburbs]

Having lived thru' MacMillian, Douglas-Hume, Wilson, Heath, Callaghan, Thatcher, Blair and Brown one is totally bored with Politics one must say.

[Marmora Man]

My four reasons for voting Tory:

1. As a libertarian I believe the conservative party is closest to my political philosophy and most likely to implement my desire for a smaller government, reduced state control / centralisation (no ID cards Sidhue)and allow individuals greater freedom.

2. The only alternative is some form of New New Labour and the rhetoric of various contenders for the future leadership is even more depressing than the current Brownite views of life.

3. The current government has squandered a golden opportunity and created a weaker country, a less internationally respected country, the biggest economic downturn in living memory and completely failed to live up to its manifesto or the hopes and ambitions that the electorate were led to expect.

4. I live in Harriet Harman?s constituency and the idea of a New Labour ?Portillo momement? when the Harperson loses her seat is very appealing

[ratty]

I would rather cut my own balls off than vote Tory.

[Tony.London Suburbs]

Marmora Man Wrote:

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> My four reasons for voting Tory:

>

> 1. As a libertarian I believe the conservative

> party is closest to my political philosophy and

> most likely to implement my desire for a smaller

> government, reduced state control / centralisation

> (no ID cards Sidhue)and allow individuals greater

> freedom.

>

> 2. The only alternative is some form of New New

> Labour and the rhetoric of various contenders for

> the future leadership is even more depressing than

> the current Brownite views of life.

>

> 3. The current government has squandered a golden

> opportunity and created a weaker country, a less

> internationally respected country, the biggest

> economic downturn in living memory and completely

> failed to live up to its manifesto or the hopes

> and ambitions that the electorate were led to

> expect.

Agree with all the above.

Personally I'm up for a Revolution.

Haven't witnessed a "proper" one in my lifetime in perfidious Albion and would like to be in the thick of it before one pops ones clogs...

[Brendan]

Marmora Man Wrote:

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> My four reasons for voting Tory:

>

> 1. As a libertarian I believe the conservative

> party is closest to my political philosophy and

> most likely to implement my desire for a smaller

> government, reduced state control / centralisation

> (no ID cards Sidhue)and allow individuals greater

> freedom.

Yes but unless the vast amounts of poor and dependent are empowered or lifted out of poverty all that that is going to do is give some individuals the greater freedom to exploit others.

There is a reason why libertarianism attracts so much support from the old right wing and big business. I can sympathise with the ideology but the practical ramifications scare me.

[Michael Palaeologus]

I fear I will vote Tory. Labour have become too authoritarian for my liking and will make law breakers of far too many people.

I hope that the Tories have learned the lessons of their past.

No party should be for too long lest they lose their edge.

[Marmora Man]

There is a reason why libertarianism attracts so much support from the old right wing and big business. I can sympathise with the ideology but the practical ramifications scare me.

I haven't noticed too much support for Libertarianism from either business or the right wing. It could be argued that absolute libertarianism equates to anarchy - but the reality of modern libertarianism is that it seeks to reduce the power of the state and enhance the power of the individual.

Anyway - at present the balance seems to be either vote Tory or abstain from voting Labour. Looks bad for Labour.

[citizenED]

I will be voting Labour. I pretty much agree with what Huguenot says in his post. Can't be quite as lucid in my arguments as he but as far as I can see we are moving, in terms of social equality, in the right direction. A Conservative Govt will alter that. Labour have made poor decisions Labour but the Conservatives would have done the same - or worse.

Voting in a general election is not like voting for a new management team, although it might seem like that at times. Its more fundamental. Its not a cosmetic thing like moving the furniture around. The principle is: vote for competition with the Tories or vote for cooperation with Labour.

[Mick Mac]

I would vote for Tony Blair (and did)

I would not vote for Gordon Brown (not convincing, too left wing maybe)

I would not vote Tory (I remember Thatchers Britain)

Next time I will probably abstain.

[AllforNun]

(a) yes

(b) the rules on voting meant that the party with the most votes gets voted out of the house, have all their cumilative wealth taken away from them, and have to spend eternity living on benefits in say Oldham or Burnley

[snorky]

you have all fallen for the bluster and PR - is this what politics is about ? cameron will be tugging himself off over a photo of himself if he could read the SE22 vox pop - remember, hes an ex PR professional - this is what he does for a living

voting for change is oxymoronic.

career politicians are career politicians, irrespective of the colour of flag they tie to their mast. Straw and Woolas- both ex NUS leaders - both dirty hippies.

Brown is a cunt, but hes a principled cunt comparatively - for what its worth

change your vote every few years and hope for the best. except the same lot will always get in- you think the Tories will sort out the root causes of our malaise once and for all ? you think that more coppers on the streets will make a difference ? doesnt sem to have worked so far, so what makes you thnk that a different master will change that?

The UK is America lite- these mugs voted for another production line , middle ground worthless politician - we will do the same

buy the fat telly, read the liberal press, change nothing

is it so surprising that we are about the only county in Europe that has never experienced a popular uprising in the past few hundred years ?

[Mick Mac]

Snorky - the miners rose up - but unfortunately Maggie was tougher, beat them back down.

[snorky]

and to cap it all, theres a fucking mouse under the fridge 4 feet away, chewing away on electric cables and annoying me as I write this. fascist.

[Mikecg]

The Labor govt did not cause the recession tho, twas the Illuminati bankers guilt and the scull and bones society.

http://exodus2006.com/fab/AllSeeingEye.JPG

[Mick Mac]

I'm shortly about to celebrate a whole winter with NO mice - first time in years - very happy, hate them all.

[Tony.London Suburbs]

Mick Mac Wrote:

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> Snorky - the miners rose up - but unfortunately

> Maggie was tougher, beat them back down.

No point raking up old graves (as Gareth used to say in "The Office" but this was a REALLY tricky one Mick imo.

Its has to be good that ANY Government won the day as the alternative doesn't bear thinking about, chaos would have ensued and it would not have been organised!

Basically Scargill wanted to bring down the Tory Government and failed, unfortunately the great Mining Communities went in the mix. That is the difficult bit as it was disastrous to those Communities.

I worked in The National Coal Board fpr 16 years in the midst of that and it wasn't pleasant.

For much of the time I was based off Fleet Street and witnessed first-hand the abuses that Maggie T. wanted to stamp out i.e.

1/ The Newspaper Managers losing all control of their Business to the all powerful Union Barons.

2/ 6 people often doing thejob that "2" could do..."Over to you Fred, go on Harry, ready Ted, Thanks Bill, Ron???...Come on Dave!" etc etc

3/ Guys signing on for 6 hours Night Shift and going off "Moonlighting" in their Black Cabs thru' the night..

4/ 5 hour "Lunch" Breaks

5/ Marches down Fleet Street every other week "Maggie, Maggie,Maggie, Out!, Out!, Out!";-)

Same for The London Docks...Red Kens Joke that was The Greater London Council....

She sorted them all out, as well.

Ageing Printers I still know from those days regarded working in the Print as a "Holiday Camp" back then, Maggie ended their playtime.

[Keef]

I shall vote Green. Will never vote for David Cameron as he is human slime, and George Osborne is a horrid little prick. However, I do get angry when people say they will NEVER vote Tory because of the sins of the 80s. Parties can change, just look at Labour, hardly the socialists of old are they.

[mockney piers]

The pre thatcher Tories weren't so bad, decent fellows and not a few statesmen about it.

Even under Thatch there were a few capable bods about, though it seems to have been a trend across the political spectrum that their numbers are thinning.

Nu Labour are range from pathetically mediocre through wholly incompetent to the banality of evil. They want power for its own sake.

This current crop of Tories strike me that they don't want power for its own sake, they simply can't understand why they haven't got it yet, as if it's somehow the natural order of things that they should have it.

I don't know if which is more dangerous, but neither seem to understand what public service or social contract actually means, indeed Nu Labour specifically tried to redefine it, that it's a contract we make with the government in order to merit their patronage...if that isn't dangerous and reason enough to get rid of them I don't know what is.

I leave aside their corruption, white elephants, trident, 12 billion NHS IT with no strategy, 'choice' in public sector, league tables, unhappiest children in the western world, iraq, curtailment of freedom, Al Yamamah, torture, iraq, lies, deceit, inability to be held for account, disingenuity....

[david_carnell]

Then prepare to get angry then Keef....

I confidently predict that I will never vote Conservative. Ever. Because of the sins of the 80s, and because I think they'd be equally disastrous for this country if they had another chance.

I shall be voting Labour at the next general election.

But I'm interested why no one seems to be voting LibDem, either as a protest vote or from genuine conviction.

[SeanMacGabhann]

oh I can see where Keef is coming from - it's like Tories who say they would never vote Labour and even in the dog days ofthe Major government after everything that had happened wouldn't vote non-Tory. I think you have to keep an open mind and if the current Tories had anything positive about them at all I would be tempted

They just haven't

[*Bob*]

I'll be LibDemming it.. same as last time.

You there.. stop sniggering.

[mockney piers]

Sorry D_C I thought it was obvious. Lib Dem for me.

Perhaps because their numbers are smaller but the proportion of their folk who seem to know what they're talking about is massively higher than anyone else.

They also seem prepared to listen rather than use the word 'debate' to distract people's attention from the fact that they're ignoring them.

Labour must, must, must go. Even this shagsack of Tories can't be more damaging to this country than Nu Labour have been.

Can anyone think of any genuine statesmen at the moment?

I'm genuinely embarrassed every time I see D. Milliband on the news.

[Brendan]

I will be voting Libdem again. Mostly because I feel that the most important thing in a government is being kept in check by a strong opposition. Considering how blatantly in bed with big business both the Tories and Labour are the closest thing to a real opposition in Britain is the Libdems.

[Brendan]

Plus they may stop using the military illegally and immorally.