Corporal punishment.

[bigbadwolf]

Oh come on Moos you can do better than that. I'd say I deserve the majority of any outburst as Mick Mac was only a minority contributer. Can I say 'minority'?

[Moos]

*sweetly*

Looking at you, dear heart, I'd say you can.

[bigbadwolf]

Thanks Moos. That feels much better.

[Mick Mac]

Very noble of you BBW to take the hit on that one. Anyway I don't know what a sockmuncher is.

PS: Sorry Daizie..

[bigbadwolf]

Moos has children Mick mac so she's had to dumb down her insults to such a level that I don't think even she knows what a 'sockmuncher' is but she probably heard it on Balamory.

[daizie]

hmm mick, id whip your arse if you were mine ..

[Moos]

As if I'd call my own children 'sockmunchers'! The very idea.

[Jah Lush]

If you don't know what a sockmuncher is I'd suggest you use your imagination. I think it's a splendid insult that hasn't had to resort to swearing.

[Brendan]

On the subject of annoying undisciplined little shits, here?s what the Daily Mash makes of teachers? request (or was it a demand?) for a pay-rise.

"You can have a 10% pay rise when your schools stop churning out a seemingly endless supply of rude, lazy, violent, stupid, little SHITS.?

[SteveT]

My mother dished out sergeant punishment (50% more stripes) to myself and elder brother at home never in public. If we misbehaved in public just a look would do it, if we were in a really stupid mood and refused to acknowledge the 'look' she would pull us to one side and quietly say wait till you get home young man or she would use my full name 'Stephen' that would make me cower.

Some days we would become so lairy that we would do it until the clouts came thick and fast and then we would stop. It was being mischievous and full of devilment as my mother put it, and she would only tolerate it for a while and if we did not take heed of the warnings then a clout or two followed.

When we got caned at school it was usually justified as we had broken the rules, when caning ceased there was all sorts of disciplinary problems and loutish behaviour because the kids only took beatings seriously, if you were told off you smirked all the way back to the classroom as you had gotten away with it.

The worst kinds of parents are the flakey variety, who tell there children off in a tone as if they were offering the culprit an ice cream.

Who take their kids to a Sunday lunch in the pub and ignore what miseries they inflict on the rest of the diners, so long as the parent is left undisturbed.

Whilst ever children want to test the boundaries, considerate caring parents will feel the need to whack them back in to place. Good!

[Mick Mac]

I once knew a bloke who admitted to hitting his children regularly but said that he often got comments from other people about how well his children behaved when he was out with them. Does the end justify the means?

[david_carnell]

daizie Wrote:

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> Everything in moderation. My dad hit us at times,

> when we deserved it, and im pleased he did. It

> gave us respect for authority. It really did not

> do me any harm at all and my brothers and sisters

> say the same.

It's phrases like this which worry about the logic being used. If every time you broke the law or misbehaved in public as an adult, the police would come and whack you round the head or wallop you on the arse with a baton would it instil a sense of respect for authority in you?

Frankly, I'd begin to loathe them as authoritarians who think they are above the law. Rather than respect them I would resent them. Rather than being there for my own good I would see them as the enemy.

We don't see physical violence as a method of curbing adult bad behaviour and yet it is deemed suitable and actually educational to do so to our children. And for every anecdote that will be wheeled out that "it never did me any harm" there will be the same number who could tell horrific stories of excessive parental violence that society tolerated because it "was what has always happened".

I think smacking your children is only reflective of a lack of imagination and effectiveness in disciplining your children using normal methods. It is your failure, not your children's, that leads to it.

[HonaloochieB]

If physical chastisement is such a deterrent why would anyone need to do it more that once.

My parents weren't big hitters, but my schools beat the crap out of me, or should I say tried, as the crap yhey were trying to dislodge remained firmly in place.

How else to explain getting caned three times in one day for essentially the same 'offence' of smoking.

Did I change my ways, did I resolve not to smoke on the way to and in school, in a pig's eye I did. Did I hate and resent the bastards who inflicted the violence on me, you betcha.

In secondary school, it was common to be smacked around the classroom for relatively minor offences, which were decided at the whim of the teachers, common to be 'caned' with a cricket bat and one old sadist would grab a spare bit of stomach flesh and twist it. It was painful but it was a lazy method of punishment, detention, withdrawal of privileges would have had a far greater effect on me, but that would have required more effort than lashing out.

I also think I was caned for blasphemy by Sister Mary Francis in my Catholic primary school. I ended up playing with two girls from my class in the playground and for some reason they had me pinned up against a wall with them leaning on my arms.

I remember it gave me a funny feeling in the pit of my stomach and my strugggles to get free weren't as vigourous as they might have been.

I was of course in an attitude of crucifixion when Sister M-F turned up. I was told I was wicked though I wasn't given any specifics, dragged to her office and caned. At eight years old my sense of hurt and confusion was great. She was a nun so I must have done something wrong for her to hit me. It was only when I got older I realised the probable reason why I got caned. I haven't revealed the names of the two girls involved as they may have gone on to biger and better things, or become dominatrixes, who knows.

[Mick Mac]

David - well said - could not agree more with that whole post.

HB - well said you too - I think the key word is confused - as I said a lot earlier in this thread, a child receives confused signals from a parent, from whom they expect love and receive love 90% of the time but then that person is also the only person who hits them - it is confusing, and certainly the first time it happens must be shocking.

We should not do to children what we would not do to adults or even animals.

[Mick Mac]

I haven't revealed the names of the two girls involved as they may have gone on to bigger and better things, or become dominatrixes, who knows.

Oh go on HB - Are they on the forum?

[HonaloochieB]

Mick Mac Wrote:

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> I haven't revealed the names of the two girls

> involved as they may have gone on to bigger and

> better things, or become dominatrixes, who knows.

>

> Oh go on HB - Are they on the forum?

I wouldn't think so MM, and if they are they're using pseudonyms.

Very sensible too, as I'm sure they don't want their role in the scandal that the whole of London is now calling 'Blasphemygate' to be revealed to a wider public.

But if they are, then they know that I know. That's all.

[daizie]

Mick mac,even more confusing are grown up people trying to negotiate/reason with out of control kids. I sat in a restaurant next to a family with an irritable, whiny child. The whole family spent their entire time, (talking to it in a 'high pitched kiddy tone') trying to pacify this kid who then went on to have a tantrum. A short sharp slap would have saved time, given a clear message, and saved the poor kid the confusion of being spoken to in funny voices, whilst escalating to fever pitch. AND they still never took it home . Selfish B******s

[????]

My grandad started smoking at 13 and lived into his 90s...it never did him any harm, absolute proof that smoking does you no harm......blah di blah di blah di blah

[david_carnell]

Because that's what parenting is about, eh daizie - saving time. Heaven forbid people should invest time, energy, intelligence and empathy into parenting. Nah just give 'em a slap - it'll be quicker.

The mind boggles.

[daizie]

precisely . You are in charge not the child. Dont confuse them .

[Huguenot]

Irony wush

[LegalEagle-ish]

I actually agree partly with Daizie because parents need to be in charge and shouldn't let their child think they have equal rights to decide on matters they have too little experience and understanding to make decisions on.

I think being firm with annoying kids is necessary to prevent kids from becoming selfish and obnoxious adults. You do your kids no favours by making them feel that they are the centre of the universe because they will be forever disappointed when they grow up and no-one else feels the same way about them!

Unconditional love and encouragement to reach their potential are also needed, but without constructive criticism or boundaries, kids grow up with a skewed and unhelpful view of themselves in the world.

[????]

...and you can't achieve those admirable aims without resorting to violence? Cos that is what it is after all....

edited for spelling but still probably wrong

[LegalEagle-ish]

Maybe, but I never managed it.

I may be a bad example tho because i had the holy crap beaten out of me as a kid, and grew up very angry.

My mum was a pretty nasty piece of work alltogether so lack of love may have made it worse. I've met rounded people who were beaten by their parents, but who were also shown unconditional love, so i think lack of love may be more damaging than being hit.

[????]

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