bloody nappy valley (lounged)

[lenk]

silverfox Wrote:

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>people like me who've got better things to do than queue

> up for hours for a couple of pork chops.

...Such as go on the internet and complain about queuing for pork chops?

I don't know how you fit it all in, I really don't...

[spark67]

During easter i took my little nephew and niece to the horniman to see the aquarium, all buggies were left in "parking" areas around the museum, made me smile as it looked like an enormous buggy show room.

A little girl came up and hugged kissed my surprised 18 month old niece by giving her a kiss and a hug, her mum rushed up and said, " sorry about that i dont know where she gets that from, its not me, it must be her nanny". Only in Dulwich :)

[Mark]

It's not even a bloody valley, valleys have slopes on the sides, we have a couple of hills nearby and that doesn't make a valley.

[woofmarkthedog]

Stop........I think small shops have a planning issue with access so 2 doors may not be possible

Anyway think of the people queuing as an attractive "garnish" on LSL

OK now go get 'em Gabbers

*unleashes swarm of hornets....zzzzzzzz zzzz*

[silverfox]

woofmarkthedog Wrote:

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> Stop........I think small shops have a planning

> issue with access so 2 doors may not be possible

>

> Anyway think of the people queuing as an

> attractive "garnish" on LSL

>

> OK now go get 'em Gabbers

>

>

> *unleashes swarm of hornets....zzzzzzzz zzzz*

You may well be right woofmarkthedog and your point about garnish is interesting. That may explain why some idiot had the bright idea of having onion sellers outside WR a while back to further exacerbate the obstructive queuing. Thinking about it though, it may have been another marketing idea of WR to entertain the long-suffering customers in the queue.

[HonaloochieB]

I like the queue outside WR, it's one of the sights of the area and the parents of ED can start interesting and informative conversations with their children about rationing in WW2 and how people used to do this in butchers shops all the time.

Then take them home and show them episodes of Dad's Army, focussing on Jonesy's butcher shop.

Blimey, SM's choleric today, too much red meat perhaps?

[woofmarkthedog]

silverfox Wrote:

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> woofmarkthedog Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > Stop........I think small shops have a planning

> > issue with access so 2 doors may not be

> possible

> >

> > Anyway think of the people queuing as an

> > attractive "garnish" on LSL

> >

> > OK now go get 'em Gabbers

> >

> >

> > *unleashes swarm of hornets....zzzzzzzz zzzz*

>

> You may well be right woofmarkthedog and your

> point about garnish is interesting. That may

> explain why some idiot had the bright idea of

> having onion sellers outside WR a while back to

> further exacerbate the obstructive queuing.

> Thinking about it though, it may have been another

> marketing idea of WR to entertain the

> long-suffering customers in the queue.

Yeah but NICE ONOINS eh !

W**F

[James]

I think there is a genuine point behind BETSY555's rant - namely that certain middle-class parents over-indulge their children and allow them to disrupt other people. It's a shame that anyone who says this is instantly branded a reactionary, miserable child-hater. On the contrary, I think children brought up with boundaries and a sense of respect for others are happier and more well-balanced.

We seem to have a bizarre Jekyll-and-Hyde approach to kids in Britain - a basically child-unfriendly society where 'youths' are contantly demonised in the press combined with pressure to over-indulge your kids, treat them as mini-adults and cater to their every whim.

Other European countries do it so much better - children are welcomed in shops, restaurants and 'adult' environments but expected to behave, and generally speaking, they do!

[SeanMacGabhann]

I'm more inclined to think it's a LACK of red meat this week - I may well go and rectify that in the next 30 mins or so. Although silverfox's faux-concern about how WR customers could have better access is undermined by his constant subtext of "prats" and is not helping my disposition

[Jeremy]

James Wrote:

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> I think there is a genuine point behind BETSY555's

> rant - namely that certain middle-class parents

> over-indulge their children and allow them to

> disrupt other people. It's a shame that anyone who

> says this is instantly branded a reactionary,

> miserable child-hater. On the contrary, I think

> children brought up with boundaries and a sense of

> respect for others are happier and more

> well-balanced.

The point may be a genuine one, but there are ways to go about saying such things without sounding like a miserable, moaning old git!

[woofmarkthedog]

Really I agree hand on heart, so what if customers/people are on the pavement (pratts or not) get over it.

Try Walworth road for size instead, it's corpses & vomit that litter the street over there.

We don't know how lucky we are!

[lenk]

silverfox Wrote:

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> woofmarkthedog Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > Stop........I think small shops have a planning

> > issue with access so 2 doors may not be

> possible

> >

> > Anyway think of the people queuing as an

> > attractive "garnish" on LSL

> >

> > OK now go get 'em Gabbers

> >

> >

> > *unleashes swarm of hornets....zzzzzzzz zzzz*

>

> You may well be right woofmarkthedog and your

> point about garnish is interesting. That may

> explain why some idiot had the bright idea of

> having onion sellers outside WR a while back to

> further exacerbate the obstructive queuing.

> Thinking about it though, it may have been another

> marketing idea of WR to entertain the

> long-suffering customers in the queue.

Why not go to another butcher.

Or don't.

I don't think WR have a 'marketing department'.

They are just a butchers.

[silverfox]

SeanMacGabhann Wrote:

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> >

> I'm more inclined to think it's a LACK of red meat

> this week - I may well go and rectify that in the

> next 30 mins or so. Although silverfox's

> faux-concern about how WR customers could have

> better access is undermined by his constant

> subtext of "prats" and is not helping my

> disposition

I'd allow a couple of hours if I were you Sean. Might be an idea to take a 'meaty' tome with you as well - Tolstoy's War and Peace perhaps

[SeanMacGabhann]

A more realistic forecast:

I'll go along, speak to a few people, get served within 5 minutes and eat well. Sounds like Dante's Inferno rather that War n' Peace

[SimonM]

I suspect if WR had been able to buy the premises next door then the two-door option might have been pursued. But the pavement there is pretty wide anyway and there's no real obstruction. What used to get my goat was people who queued for various ATMs at right angles to the building, thereby truly blocking the pavement. Thankfully people in LL seem to be more civilised these days, and form a queue at the curb so that passers-by are not hindered. Anyway for a real obstruction you cannot beat the queue by Sparkes on a Saturday morning, because their van always parks by the narrowest part of the pavement on NCR. But hell, it's a popular shop in a popular market on a Saturday, so it's all part of the fun!

[Moos]

I think there is a genuine point behind BETSY555's rant - namely that certain middle-class parents over-indulge their children and allow them to disrupt other people. It's a shame that anyone who says this is instantly branded a reactionary, miserable child-hater.

Hmm. I was about to write a similar response and add that it's a strange day when someone can't offer an opinion without having a plethora of posters jumping down their throats - but then I re-read the OP and it was written so unpleasantly and with so many tiresome hackish generalisations that I thought I'd leave 'em to it. And I was surprised to see you join in the class war, James - surely over-indulged (in the sense of undisciplined, disrespectful) children of any background are a shame?

[James]

Hi Moos - I pointed out that the middle class were to blame to highlight the fact that it's not just the 'underclass' who let their kids run riot sometimes, to the detriment of all of us.

[wondergirl]

I'm sure that most parents would prefer shopping on their own, but being a parent is a 24 hour a day 7 day a week job. London is London and if you want peace and quiet move out of London. You won't find less kids in the country though.

[lenk]

WONDERGIRL Wrote:

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> I'm sure that most parents would prefer shopping

> on their own, but being a parent is a 24 hour a

> day 7 day a week job. London is London and if you

> want peace and quiet move out of London. You won't

> find less kids in the country though.

Um, at least outside of cities you also don't get people imposing their 'this is a family borough' values on a place either.

If you want lots of space for your kids and don't want the little darlings to be corrupted by the tewwible cwimes in the city I heartily recommend it.

[Alan Dale]

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[????]

Move to Hoxton Lenk

[cate]

James Wrote:

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> I think there is a genuine point behind BETSY555's

> rant - namely that certain middle-class parents

> over-indulge their children and allow them to

> disrupt other people. It's a shame that anyone who

> says this is instantly branded a reactionary,

> miserable child-hater. On the contrary, I think

> children brought up with boundaries and a sense of

> respect for others are happier and more

> well-balanced.

>

> We seem to have a bizarre Jekyll-and-Hyde approach

> to kids in Britain - a basically child-unfriendly

> society where 'youths' are contantly demonised in

> the press combined with pressure to over-indulge

> your kids, treat them as mini-adults and cater to

> their every whim.

>

> Other European countries do it so much better -

> children are welcomed in shops, restaurants and

> 'adult' environments but expected to behave, and

> generally speaking, they do!

Agree with this.

Well behaved kids are usually always welcome anywhere, or at least they should be. I was in a certain cafe not too long ago and a dad had his little boy with him, probably about 3 years old. He allowed the boy to run amok while he sat and stared out the window. The little boy started pulling the skin (not petting) of well behaved dog who politely sitting in the cafe. I asked the chap to come and get his child as he was misbehaving. Guy got up, grabbed his child and left the cafe without saying anything to anyone. Could have been worse I suppose; he might have blamed the dog!

[pepsi]

I support the rant to a degree. I have no problem with kids or parents per se but what drives me nuts is the fact that many people who have children seem to think it entitles them to disregard the comfort and wellbeing of others and confers upon them some sort of superior status. I think it owuld be a good idea for people to have to pass some sort of test before they have chldren. this would include, among other things, buggy steering skills, discipline protocols, noise control etc. If they fail the test they should be barred from procreation.

[Moos]

I agree.

There should also be an alcohol test. Anyone incapable of getting through a boozy evening without being polite and charming to others at all times, retaining full control of their bodily functions and making complete sense should be banned from drinking. If we're going to get all judgywudgy, why restrict it to parents? Let's ensure that everyone has to be perfect at all times, otherwise they will be taken outside and shot by the Superiority Police.

[????]

Yup and a sartorial test too - ooooh and a loudness of voice test as well combioned of course with a suitable accents one.