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Jesus' execution is in the romsn and jewish records and mohammed's family were a well known middle eastern merchants.I think it is pretty well documnted and accepted they both existed as people...you are perhaps getting confused with their claims to divinity?

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> Jesus' execution is in the romsn


All known 'external' documentary sources are either proven or suspected Christian interpolations, pious frauds or have been disputed or discounted for other reasons.


> and jewish records


Jewish, Christian and Islamic sources are considered self-serving therefore not acceptable as credible evidence.


> and mohammed's family were a well known

> middle eastern merchants.


There is no independent or credible evidence that Prophet Mohammad (saaw) was a historical figure, unless you can demonstrate otherwise.


> I think it is pretty well

> documnted and accepted they both existed as

> people


Widely accepted as matters of faith - that doesn't count as evidence, though.


>...you are perhaps getting confused with

> their claims to divinity?


No, not at all, but let's not go there before first clearing up this point.

well, you are going against historicsl (not religous) orthodoxy so unless your Simon Schama I'm gonna go with them. Prove it? how the hell am I going to and can I be arsed to go and get you evidence at 7.30pm on a tuesday in my holidsy week....go figure as they say...



all Jewish, islamic and christian records are of no historicsl value snd the other sources are pious fakes...do you run an american conspiracy theory website by any chance?

???? Wrote:

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> well, you are going against historicsl (not

> religous) orthodoxy so unless your Simon Schama

> I'm gonna go with them. Prove it? how the hell am

> I going to and can I be arsed to go and get you

> evidence at 7.30pm on a tuesday in my holidsy

> week....go figure as they say...


I'm sorry - you were the one that offered up evidence. Opinion is not evidence, I'm sure you know that.


> all Jewish, islamic and christian records are of

> no historicsl value snd the other sources are

> pious fakes...


Ok, I've got this ancient document written in Hebrew that says G-d gave me your house, valuables and your ass. You can keep the ass, just PM me when you've vacated the premises and I'll nip over and take possession. Leave the ???? on the table. May the Lord go with you.


> do you run an american conspiracy

> theory website by any chance?


How did you guess? Don't tell me - the little voice in your head, wasn't it?


Seriously, there ain't no evidence, is there? Just wishful thinking and blind faith. Have a good holiday.

HonaloochieB Wrote:

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> JFK, Sam Giancanna and J Edgar Hoover. Let's get

> the truth about what happened in Dallas that day.


Be interesting to find out but I doubt JFK was in on it...B)

HAL9000 Wrote:

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> ???? Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > well, you are going against historicsl (not

> > religous) orthodoxy so unless your Simon Schama

> > I'm gonna go with them. Prove it? how the hell

> am

> > I going to and can I be arsed to go and get you

> > evidence at 7.30pm on a tuesday in my holidsy

> > week....go figure as they say...

>

> I'm sorry - you were the one that offered up

> evidence. Opinion is not evidence, I'm sure you

> know that.

>

> > all Jewish, islamic and christian records are

> of

> > no historicsl value snd the other sources are

> > pious fakes...

>

> Ok, I've got this ancient document written in

> Hebrew that says G-d gave me your house, valuables

> and your ass. You can keep the ass, just PM me

> when you've vacated the premises and I'll nip over

> and take possession. Leave the ???? on the table.

> May the Lord go with you.

>

> > do you run an american conspiracy

> > theory website by any chance?

>

> How did you guess? Don't tell me - the little

> voice in your head, wasn't it?

>

> Seriously, there ain't no evidence, is there? Just

> wishful thinking and blind faith. Have a good

> holiday.


Wikpedia -


Muhammad's life is well documented within numerous records in historical texts, although like other premodern historical figures not every detail of his life is known

Mick Mac Wrote:

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> I used to do Rory Gallagher's Tax Return :))


How fascinating Mick! He seemed the most down-to-earth superb Human Being on God's Earth!


Did you meet him and what was he like M8?


Mick give yourself a treat for 5 Minutes and put the following into "You Tube"


"Rory Gallagher - Bullfrog Blues"....this was why Rory was universally loved. After 2 mins 30 seconds the crowd in France are on the stage head-banging with him and then he carries on, playing on top of the Amps and back amongst the madding crowd again.

Exhilarating stuff and I never saw him. More fool me.

Tony.London Suburbs Wrote:

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> Mick Mac Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > I used to do Rory Gallagher's Tax Return :))

>

> How fascinating Mick! He seemed the most

> down-to-earth superb Human Being on God's Earth!

>

> Did you meet him and what was he like M8?

>

> Mick give yourself a treat for 5 Minutes and put

> the following into "You Tube"

>

> "Rory Gallagher - Bullfrog Blues"....this was why

> Rory was universally loved. After 2 mins 30

> seconds the crowd in France are on the stage

> head-banging with him and then he carries on,

> playing on top of the Amps and back amongst the

> madding crowd again.

> Exhilarating stuff and I never saw him. More fool

> me.



No - I did not meet him TLS - It was my first job, I was too junior and was not allowed to meet clients. Spoke to him on the phone once, he seemed ok. Also he was a local hero in Northern Ireland. Have always meant to get into his music and have watched him on Youtube following one of your previous posts, really talented guy.

Met Joe Strummer a couple of times and he was great, I also had his phone number while he was staying with one of the Conrans and used to call him up on the way home from nights out.

He also once lent my son twenty quid to get home from Brixton when he spent a long evening backstage at the Academy.

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