Labour Leadership

[Ridgley]

Will this be the end of Labour, or with this be a revolution they making a new version on Citizen Smith :)

[Ridgley]

I think the Tories should not be too complacent,corbyn has the power to bring London to its knees he has the backing of the union watch this space.

[????]

well Ed had that.

A complete aside but I could see Corbyn resining at some point. He's going to loathe being leader.

He's a veteran of the issue driven campaigning, non-ministerial, non-responsibilty (beyond his constituents and conscience) lefty whose apparently quite shy with few friends in parliament (I mean friends in the non-political sense). He's used to setting his own personal agenda based on issues he's interestred in and at the fringe. As leader of the oppossition he has actual constitutional responsibilities beyond just being leader of the Labour Party, not least meetings with Cameron once a week as an example; as Leader of the Labour Party he has enormous responsibility and duty within the party. He's presumambly loved the campaigning as that's his forte. On Monday that's all ended and for the first time in his life he'll have some serious responsibility. He'll be targeted by the media and Tories in a way that has even began yet plus he'll have revolts simmering in his own party. Even something like Rememberance Sunday will be interesting...I don't see Corbyn as Red Poppy wearer...although he'll probably avoind the Donkey Jacket :). He'll hate it I reckon - genuine non-political point of view

[Loz]

There are a few stories going around that he didn't want to run at all, but for various reasons the other more left-wing candidates wouldn't/couldn't run and so he rather unenthusiastically threw his hat in the ring.

[ratty]

And these stories are BS. My Ma in Law and a very close colleague know JC very well and these stories are tripe.

However, I do agree with ???s (SHOCK) that once he has changed the political landscape for the better I can see him standing down.

[Otta]

Yep, don't think he's in it for the long game.

[Otta]

So that's that. At least things might be interesting for a bit.

Say what you like about being a party of opposition, but right now we need opposition desperately.

[ratty]

Corks popping down my way! I am overwhelmed with joy! It's time to call out the Tories on their unfairness and targeting of the vulnerable.

Ending the social cleansing of London resonates very strongly.

[Otta]

Indeed, although I was thinking "shut up about London Jezza, you don't want to alienate the North in your first speech".

[????]

Well. It won't surprise you that I think his economics and defence views would be a disaster for this country and ultimately that would effect the poor the most. Thankfully, I think that the rest of the country is a lot wiser than social media. But enjoy it for now.

[nxjen]

Choice of Sadiq Khan and now Corbyn overwhelming rejection of Blairites and Blairite policies. Perhaps we can now have an opposition with some teeth.

[Loz]

His first worry will be the Parliamentary Labour Party. They might unite around him, but in a Julius Caesar type way.

Looking at the Guardian summary of his policies:

Economy: His weakest area, straight up. His anti-austerity call will get good press, but will fall down in the detail. The completely barking 'print loads of money to fund things we like' plus the old 'tax the rich' stuff (ideologically good soundbite, but never actually raises much money).

Tax: Richard Murphy's made up number on the tax gap is going to come back to bite him. Finding ?120bn worth of 'unpaid' tax will be... um... interesting.

Education: Good - but expensive - ideas.

Housing: Popular - but ineffective - ideas.

Immigration: A couple of months ago, these might have caused him problems, but recent events make these rather timely.

Defence: Pulling out of NATO? One word - barking.

Public Ownership: Unsurprising policies. May need to pull out of Europe to enact some of them, since EU rules may prevent him doing them.

Europe: He's a surprisingly unclear on his Europe policy. Not sure what he believes.

Heathcare: Anti-privatisation, but apart from that, not much in the way of change.

Foreign Policy: Wobbly, to say the least. I get the feeling he knows that this is the bit he's going to get the greatest grief and the least support for his ideology.

[robbin]

Labour is now being run by Tom and Jerry.

[maxxi]

Well it's only the presence of ER, gawd save 'er, stops the whole country being led and run by Chas & Dave innit?

[robbin]

Ha! Good one. An abdication sounds a bit less painful after all!

[dbboy]

IMO seems as though labour have gone Left, very far left, standing there signing the Red Flag. With 7 of the Shadow Cabinet resigning, the rats are already leaving the sinking ship. Government will be a long way off for Corbyn & co.

PMQ's this Wednesday will be very interesting, Cameron now has an adversary who is more senior to him so let the game's begin.

[Otta]

I cringed at the whole people's flag thing.

For me JC's role is this

1. Realign the centre so that it is actually in the middle.

2. Make life less comfortable for the government and highlight some of their less morally sound policies.

3. Make way for a new younger leader who doesn't come across as another one off the production line of shiny new career politicians.

We'll see how it all works out.

[cella]

Exactly my thinking so totally agree as a medium term strategy. The challenge will be in nurturing the new talent.

[Loz]

Otta Wrote:

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> We'll see how it all works out.

They're all reasonable expectations, Otta. It's the people who actually think Corbyn is actually PM material I worry about.

[Jeremy]

Problem for me is that the Tories will be free to expand upon their (fairly far-right) economic policies without credible opposition.

[Salsaboy]

It seems to me that Labour have elected Michael Foot again.

[Jah Lush]

Jeremy Wrote:

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> Problem for me is that the Tories will be free to

> expand upon their (fairly far-right) economic

> policies without credible opposition.

What makes you think the last lot were credible? The whole point is that the Tories now have an opposition that isn't Tory-lite.

[Sue]

Jah Lush Wrote:

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> Jeremy Wrote:

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> > Problem for me is that the Tories will be free

> to

> > expand upon their (fairly far-right) economic

> > policies without credible opposition.

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> What makes you think the last lot were credible?

> The whole point is that the Tories now have an

> opposition that isn't Tory-lite.

Yes. Hooray!

[????]

Tee hee,

http://newsthump.com/2015/09/12/jeremy-corbyn-appointed-to-lose-the-next-election/?utm_campaign

BTW what a shambling rambling acceptance speech. This bloke our potential PM FFS????

[Otta]

I thought his speech was pretty good, and dare say he couldn't have impressed you whatever he said. He paid tribute to his opponents, he made a direct appeal to the press to keep people's families out of it, and he got the crowd going. It was a speech for the people that had just voted for him, if he couldn't play to them yesterday when could he?