Brendan Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 ???? Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> instictively......mmmmmmmmmA professional footballer who has been intensively trained his entire life to not handle the ball ?instinctively? sticks his hand out. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/8504-so-france-v-ireland-and-ireland-v-france/page/6/#findComment-265641 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Mac Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 This is funny - Henry the big game bottler Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/8504-so-france-v-ireland-and-ireland-v-france/page/6/#findComment-265642 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Dale Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 removed Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/8504-so-france-v-ireland-and-ireland-v-france/page/6/#findComment-265645 Share on other sites More sharing options...
???? Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 Exactly Brendan - his decision to cheat may have been instictiveto instead of the Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/8504-so-france-v-ireland-and-ireland-v-france/page/6/#findComment-265648 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandperson Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 Stolen from the beeb live feed:Fifa Fair Play Code: "Play fair. Winning is without value if victory has been achieved unfairly or dishonestly. Cheating is easy, but brings no pleasure. Playing fair requires courage and character. It is also more satisfying. Fair play always has its reward, even when the game is lost. Playing fair earns respect, while cheating only brings shame. Remember: it is only a game. And games are pointless unless played fairly." Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/8504-so-france-v-ireland-and-ireland-v-france/page/6/#findComment-265658 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Dale Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 removed Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/8504-so-france-v-ireland-and-ireland-v-france/page/6/#findComment-265664 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Mac Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 That's a page turner Alan. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/8504-so-france-v-ireland-and-ireland-v-france/page/6/#findComment-265666 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandperson Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 Aren't you a Leeds fan Alan? ;-) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/8504-so-france-v-ireland-and-ireland-v-france/page/6/#findComment-265667 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendan Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 And there we have it. The exact sentiment that makes me avoid following football most of the time except the world cup and then I wonder why I bother. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/8504-so-france-v-ireland-and-ireland-v-france/page/6/#findComment-265668 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Dale Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 removed Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/8504-so-france-v-ireland-and-ireland-v-france/page/6/#findComment-265669 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendan Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 But it's fun. I get to have fights with people about stuff. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/8504-so-france-v-ireland-and-ireland-v-france/page/6/#findComment-265670 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Dale Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 Removed Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/8504-so-france-v-ireland-and-ireland-v-france/page/6/#findComment-265673 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonM Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 I was so sure Anelka would get that penalty some minutes before the Henry incident. France will probably now go on and win the whole thing.... Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/8504-so-france-v-ireland-and-ireland-v-france/page/6/#findComment-265674 Share on other sites More sharing options...
'bout now Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 Damien Duff said after the game, "you can't blame henry, if it was me or Robbie down the other end we'd have tried it"It says it all really, as AD said they are told to appeal at every decision, to push Referees into errors, play to the whistle regardless. Show me a manager who hasn't b*llocked a player for not going down in the area to win a penalty, unfairly or not and I'll show you a decent Jeffrey Archer novel.They are all at it, reap what you sow.I just hope England get to meet them at some point in the world cup to hand out some justice, hopefully in the spirit in which the game should be played Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/8504-so-france-v-ireland-and-ireland-v-france/page/6/#findComment-265676 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atila Reincarnate Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 'bout now Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Damien Duff said after the game, "you can't blame> henry, if it was me or Robbie down the other end> we'd have tried it"> > It says it all really, as AD said they are told to> appeal at every decision, to push Referees into> errors, play to the whistle regardless. Show me a> manager who hasn't b*llocked a player for not> going down in the area to win a penalty, unfairly> or not and I'll show you a decent Jeffrey Archer> novel.> > They are all at it, reap what you sow.> > I just hope England get to meet them at some point> in the world cup to hand out some justice,> hopefully in the spirit in which the game should> be playedCouldn't have put that better myself. Well played that man. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/8504-so-france-v-ireland-and-ireland-v-france/page/6/#findComment-265679 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratty Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 GOID! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/8504-so-france-v-ireland-and-ireland-v-france/page/6/#findComment-265693 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanMacGabhann Posted November 19, 2009 Author Share Posted November 19, 2009 but that doesn't make quids, keef et al wrong to wish it was different tho, right?I'm happy to use the incident last night (or the Eduardo dive a few months ago, or any other incident) as a line in the sand and say "look, no more. We (the author-ah-ties) are going to CONSISTENTLY penalise, retrospectively of we have to, cheating of this kind"But what I'm less keen on is for Henry to be singled-out when the like goes on week in and week out and pplayers, managers, and fans are happy to play the percentages, even if they know it is wrong Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/8504-so-france-v-ireland-and-ireland-v-france/page/6/#findComment-265695 Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthew123 Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 If UEFA had stood their ground back in August with their 2 game ban for Eduardo - instead of back tracking to effectively create a cheats charter maybe we'd not have had the Anelka dive or Henry handball last night. Football missed a great opportunity then for a line to be drawn in the sand. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/8504-so-france-v-ireland-and-ireland-v-france/page/6/#findComment-265696 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Mac Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 Yep. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/8504-so-france-v-ireland-and-ireland-v-france/page/6/#findComment-265697 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atila Reincarnate Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 matthew123 Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> If UEFA had stood their ground back in August with> their 2 game ban for Eduardo - instead of back> tracking to effectively create a cheats charter> maybe we'd not have had the Anelka dive or Henry> handball last night. Football missed a great> opportunity then for a line to be drawn in the> sand.Strangely I disagree with you. This has ben going on long before Eddy took a tumble. Do you really think Anelka or Henry would have thought twice about gaining an advantage if someone had been banned for two games, sorry I don't think so. The reward for getting away with it far outweigh the disadvantage of being caught. And why are we starting with Eduardo?? This crap has being going on at all clubs, at all levels for years, and it's not just "johnny foreigner" who's guilty, eh messrs Gerrard, Rooney, A Cole? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/8504-so-france-v-ireland-and-ireland-v-france/page/6/#findComment-265702 Share on other sites More sharing options...
'bout now Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 Seanyou're absolutly right, I too wish it hadn't happened, I'd much prefer Eire to be in SA next year. However when an opposing player says he would have done the same, it negates the argument.You are also right in that UEFA, FIFA and the FA have failed at every opportunity to eradicate this kind of behaviour, in fact their approach just heaps more pressure on the referees and linesman who get abused by Managers, players and fans alike, who'd be a ref? Not me. Maybe it is about time that the fourth official can operate with video analysis, to me its the only way, otherwise I'm sure we'll be discussing this kind of thing forever Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/8504-so-france-v-ireland-and-ireland-v-france/page/6/#findComment-265706 Share on other sites More sharing options...
???? Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 Some French viewsFrancois Bayrou, a former candidate for the French presidency: "In an ideal world, the match should be played again. I saw the match and like a lot of people I wasn't very proud, and like everyone else I asked why don't we have a video match official. It works in rugby and it works very well."Leading French politician, Philippe De Villiers: "Raymond Domenech should express his public regrets and show a gesture of dignity towards Ireland. The moral of this match is that you can cheat as long as you don't get caught. The France team is going to be labelled for years as a team of cheats." Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/8504-so-france-v-ireland-and-ireland-v-france/page/6/#findComment-265736 Share on other sites More sharing options...
???? Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 andFormer France international David Ginola on BBC Radio 5 Live: "I'm very embarrassed by the situation. I don't feel very proud to be French this morning. The Irish played very well and they deserved to go through as much as France, maybe more. I'm very surprised Fifa haven't mentioned anything about it - the whole world saw the handball. This is a pure injustice. Everyone in France, the press and everyone, says there should be a replay." Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/8504-so-france-v-ireland-and-ireland-v-france/page/6/#findComment-265738 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanMacGabhann Posted November 19, 2009 Author Share Posted November 19, 2009 they from the BBC website quids? Some good stuff going on over therehttp://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/8367913.stmI like the suggestion that if the French are so embarrased, they offer to replay (as Wenger did a few years ago) and put FIFA on the spotLot's of people pointing out that Robbie Keane lieks to use his arms to help control the ball a lot as well... Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/8504-so-france-v-ireland-and-ireland-v-france/page/6/#findComment-265749 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandperson Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 Great Grauniad article...I don't think it's been posted already:Richard Williams Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/8504-so-france-v-ireland-and-ireland-v-france/page/6/#findComment-265750 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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