This forum has amazed me

[????]

Solid work (dad) 9/10

[davidk]

I agree old_bloke. Even trolling aint what it used to be...

[apbremer]

I'm very posh but wouldn't wipe my green Hunter wellies on the Guardian.

[Jeremy]

The "real London people" have cashed in and moved out to Kent. They get their semi-detached houses with a fish pond, and del-boy style bar stocked with brightly coloured liqueurs. We get 1200 sqft houses in a self-congratulatory enclave of organic produce, and a short-ish commute into town (which we need, because we work 8am-7pm to pay our ridiculous mortgages).

Everyone's a winner.

[Otta]

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> Solid work (dad) 9/10

Blatant nepotism, it's a 6 at best.

[Seabag]

This isn't a Louisa 'alter ego character thing' (gone mad) is it?

[JoeLeg]

Jeremy Wrote:

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> The "real London people" have cashed in and moved

> out to Kent. They get their semi-detached houses

> with a fish pond, and del-boy style bar stocked

> with brightly coloured liqueurs. We get 1200 sqft

> houses in a self-congratulatory enclave of organic

> produce, and a short-ish commute into town (which

> we need, because we work 8am-7pm to pay our

> ridiculous mortgages).

>

> Everyone's a winner.

Possibly the most succinct description of the change in demographics round here that I've ever read.

[DuncanW]

And just a little bit condescending with it

[DadOf4]

it would be interesting to disucss what ED would be like now if had developed the way that the OP hoped

[Jeremy]

DuncanW Wrote:

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> And just a little bit condescending with it

Not intended to be, just poking fun at the cliches. In reality hardly anyone (either incoming or outgoing) actually personifies them.

[Zebedee Tring]

ED in the good old days was a wonderful manor. You could leave your back door open and nobody nicked your gear. But if they did, you could call in the Richardsons and Mad Frankie Fraser would give them slags wot done it some dentistry without anaesthetics. That would learn them. They were cruel but fair.

Now we've got all them poncey hipsters with beards, craft beer and foreign food. And all them arty farty films at the new cinema. "On The Buses" was good enough for me- why not them?

[dreamymummy]

me! me! I'm a vegetarian :)

[Michael Palaeologus]

Surely every generation deplores the changes that they have seen and the negative impact of the new incomers and different generation of "the other"? Whether "the other" are different by dint of class, ethnicity, religion or region.

Read Peter Akroyd's "Biography of London" to get a sense of the cyclical nature of these things.

It would be interesting to know from those of us who are born and bred locals, when their families came to ED/ London?

I suspect that there are few that can claim that their ED ancestry goes back into antiquity.

My family are from the Staffs/ Black Country borders. They came from the same village, Cheslyn Hay, for many generations. My cousin went back through the records as far as he could. He gave up in the end.

The only interesting things that happened were wars (they were all miners so didn't get called up) or pit disasters (my great, great Grandfather volunteered for the Army in WW1, survived 4 years in the trenches only to have tons of coal collapse on him in 1920) or the 'hoss maiming's which saw Arthur Conan Doyle come to the village to exonerate George Edalji. Otherwise, nothing. It was like The Shire, unchanging, unmoving. Unsurprising as Tolkein was raised in the west midlands.

Do the local ED originals have similar deep, local generational roots?

[DaveR]

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/hipsters-are-better-than-you-say-researchers-2013021259405

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/features/gentrification-good-or-bad-20151005102592

It's all been said before

[DuncanW]

Fair dos :)

Jeremy Wrote:

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> DuncanW Wrote:

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> > And just a little bit condescending with it

>

> Not intended to be, just poking fun at the

> cliches. In reality hardly anyone (either incoming

> or outgoing) actually personifies them.

[Louisa]

Jeremy gives a good description of the exaggerated reality, yes not all outgoing folk were chirpy cockneys cashing in on equity, and neither were all incomers guardian reading vegetarian uni educated metropolitan socialists. But stereotypes exist for good reason, and those perceptions narrowly speaking, have become the reality of what's happened in ED and similar neighbourhoods in this city. My biggest gripe has always been the hidden agenda of the elitist incomers who are on the whole intelligent people, usually more likely to engage in community activities and be able to back up their arguments on social media in a more agreeable way (loving these stereotypes).

Louisa.

[Louisa]

Btw this is not an alter ego of mine this old_bloke person. I would be far more original. If by chance this character would like lessons on how to get the forum back up, I am available for classes in my garden weekday afternoons (you supply the vino of course).

Louisa.

[JoeLeg]

DadOf4 Wrote:

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> it would be interesting to disucss what ED would

> be like now if had developed the way that the OP

> hoped

It'd probably look a lot like Lewisham and Catford have in that time; ultimately unchanged and stuck in some weird time warp with stagnating house prices and a corresponding stagnation in the local area. While that means some people like it because it's 'the same as it's always been', and that's a comfort to them, others will move away or never go there. I think that places, like people, need to develop and change and recognise that change can be beneficial. We can argue all day about whether ED (and now Peckham these days) has lost that character which made it unique and attractive, but if it hadn't changed at all then I think it would be even worse.

[DulwichFox]

Caf? 325 is now open at 325 Underhill Road..

Tea ?1.00 Coffee ?1.50 Croissant ?1.50

Full BreakFast.

2 Fried eggs, 2 bacon, Sausage, Beans, tomatoes ?5.50

Vegetarian Breakfast.

Hash Brown, Mushrooms, beans, tomato, Chips and 2 eggs. ?5.00

020 8299 2998

Looks like good value. Proper Caf?. but it was empty at 11.30 this morning.

I suppose it has only just opened and needs time for people to know its there..

Foxy.

[Otta]

That is good value (assuming it's half decent grub).

[Ridgley]

I not from Dulwich originally brought up in The Oval him indoors is an Essex boy form Cranham, both of those areas have changed. I don?t think is a bad thing Middles classes moving to an area but I have notice they don't necessarily mix with the locals you see this at the local pubs or any community event middle classes one side locals on the other.

The white Horse pub was a local pub it has recently changed hands and it now caters for the middle classes client?le. My neighbour is very posh very pleasant but continually comments on my husbands Essex boy accent he said to him he sounds like Parker from Thunder Birds.

[TheArtfulDogger]

old_bloke Wrote:

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> It's full of the middle classes with their middle

> class habit and Guardian reading

>

> How many vegetarians on here I wonder

>

> Not the Dulwich I knew - used to be full of decent

> working class Londoners

I have been pondering the issue with vegetarians in old_blokes post and all I can think is that in the old days we Londoners would all eat jellied eels, oyster and steak pies, with cockles and winkles from the fish stall outside the pub on Sunday. Taste and opportunity has changed over the years leading to vegetarians feeling free to come out of the closet, openly flaunt their gay abandonment of meat and enjoying a good quorn sausage without the fear of arrest or public humiliation ( explains the lack of notices these days about faggots sprayed on doors of vegetarians.)

Is this the sort of thing the bigoted old fart is objecting about... Or am I taking this the wrong way ?

[Ridgley]

I am a definitely a meat eater and ?loud and proud?

[Louisa]

Apparently it's reversed snobbery when someone like me mocks the posh incomers who spend a fortune on coffee and organic carrots etc, but it's ok for them to change an entire neighbourhood and force house prices sky high and we should all shut up and not say boo to a goose.

Louisa.

[DulwichFox]

The Supermarkets don't like bent carrots and the like so wont buy them from the Farmers..

So there are those that fill up a Transit van for ?50.00 ? with wobbly fruit and veg and sell them

for 3 times the supermarket price to those who believe they must be organic and taste better and in doing so

they are also saving the planet..

Foxy