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messageRe: Football in the park
Posted by seenbeen May 20, 06:23PM

Working class kids did very well when grammar Schools were ubiquitous....again personal experience in case you ask lindylou!

messageRe: Football in the park
Posted by pk May 20, 07:46PM

KidKruger Wrote:
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> lindylou - it's easy (and lazy) for people to call
> grave insults on people over the internet as I'm
> sure you know (seeing as you're experiencing it
> !).

who's 'calling grave insults on people'?

and why is it important to know that 8 put of 10 people playing football were BAME (maybe)? because that's where this started

messageRe: Football in the park
Posted by alice May 20, 07:53PM

This Peckham v Dulwich thing has been on this forum for years. Itís always been very thinly veiled racism. But to use it now, with this pandemic, is obscene.

I would shut the thread down. It serves absolutely no purpose.

messageRe: Football in the park
Posted by fishbiscuits May 20, 09:40PM

If we're going to toss around anecdotal observations, I've seen far more black people wearing face masks than white people.

messageRe: Football in the park
Posted by KidKruger May 20, 10:12PM

I'm not sure lindylou was expressly making a point about one area being more supreme than another area, though I guess it's possible to construe anything if you want.

I think it's important in discussions like this to read the words people write, rather than making-up a back story to what they write in order to create a Gotcha moment.



alice Wrote:
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> This Peckham v Dulwich thing has been on this
> forum for years. Itís always been very thinly
> veiled racism. But to use it now, with this
> pandemic, is obscene.
>
> I would shut the thread down. It serves absolutely
> no purpose.

messageRe: Football in the park
Posted by KidKruger May 20, 10:18PM

So there you have it lindylou people calling you racist !
So easy for people to do when not stood in front of you. So lazy.
"Oooh, but I never actually SAID the word 'racist', so you can't accuse me of calling you that - are you paranoid ?!".

Just like lindylou never said anything racist (or even implying that he/she were in any way racist).

This has been on this forum for years, always been very thinly veiled accusations of racism. But to use it now, with this pandemic, is obscene.

messageRe: Football in the park
Posted by binkylilyput May 20, 11:53PM

Lindylou you seem to have responded to my post twice......and neither responses particularly make sense in reference to my post!

Of course there are children from all ethnic backgrounds who struggle. That wasnít my point.

And I donít know who the catís mother is- I didnít use the word she at all?!

My point is quite clearly that the BAME community is worse off across all socioeconomic markers. The health of these groups is far worse as a result. This is well known and widely documented.

Inequality.

Anyways, back to football?

messageRe: Football in the park
Posted by alice May 21, 12:49AM

kk youve made a confusing double response to my post. Maybe you could reread what I had written. I didnt refer to the poster lindylou.

messageRe: Football in the park
Posted by rachp May 21, 08:29AM

lindylou Wrote:
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> lindylou Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > lindylou Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > binkylilyput Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Some communities are more disadvantaged.
> That
> > > > means poorer living conditions, less space
> > etc.
> > > > Also people with less money are more likely
> > to
> > > > have to go to work, travel on public
> > transport
> > > > plus do jobs that are more "frontline".
> > > >
> > > > The disadvantages that the BAME community
> > face
> > > > remain widespread........I would have
> thought
> > > this
> > > > hardly needs to be stated.
> > > >
> > > > I personally haven't observed any
> substantial
> > > > difference in social distancing between the
> > two
> > > > high streets of Peckham or East Dulwich
> > > recently.
> > > > Both are busy.
> > >
> > > Yes, both areas have become busy, I totally
> > agree.
> > > But some areas have become busy with no
> social
> > > distancing.
> >
> > Do you not think children from any ethnicity
> have
> > a hard time?
>
>
> Whose she, the cat's mother? And I think it's more
> of a class thing lately. Send the kids from the
> government school back, shield the others. All
> kids from working class families have no hope. Be
> that black, white or yellow.

The majority of kids at state schools in SE22 are not underprivileged. But I imagine that many who can be, will be back at school on 1st June because the evidence currently available shows that young children are not at risk from Covid 19.

messageRe: Football in the park
Posted by Penguin68 May 21, 08:54AM

My point is quite clearly that the BAME community is worse off across all socioeconomic markers. The health of these groups is far worse as a result. This is well known and widely documented.

Inequality.



If you weight for deprivation etc. (i.e. weight to remove this as a variable) then you still find a disproportionate mortality from Covid-19 amongst BAME groups. (A recent Horizon or Panorama, I forget which, published these figures). Mortality goes up with age, with (some) ethnicities, with co-morbidities and with sex - men being almost twice as vulnerable as women. (The chances of infection go up in multiple people households and amongst groups more likely to meet others in a close contact context - which is a social deprivation link as it reflects work-type).

Co-incidentally (or not) Vitamin D deficiency is also a key marker (but correlation does not imply causation) for suffering badly from Covid-19 infection - something frequently seen amongst both the elderly and in BAME populations in Northern climates, though not, I would have thought, within any one group, sex-linked.

For once referring out to race, and specifically to skin colour in a UK context if there is a Vitamin D link, is not wholly unreasonable when discussing violation of the behaviour norms of social distancing urged by HMG. This does not excuse an unthinking and casual reference out to race, of course. Had there been one. Scientific evidence suggests that in the case of Covid-19 'race' is not a lazy shorthand for 'social deprivation' as regards mortality rates.

These figures are all based around serious/ fatal infections. I have no idea whether BAME individuals (once deprivation is weighted out) are more or less likely initially to contract the virus, in any given contact context.

messageRe: Football in the park
Posted by pk May 21, 09:28AM

KidKruger Wrote:
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> I'm not sure lindylou was expressly making a point
> about one area being more supreme than another
> area, though I guess it's possible to construe
> anything if you want.
>
> I think it's important in discussions like this to
> read the words people write, rather than making-up
> a back story to what they write in order to create
> a Gotcha moment.
>
>
>

so perhaps you can explain why it's important to identify ratios of white to not white playing football in dulwich?

and what that's got to do with Rye Lane?

messageRe: Football in the park
Posted by KidKruger May 21, 11:11AM

I wouldn't dream of trying to explain why other people do things pk, nor what they think is important or otherwise.
You could ask them yourself I reckon.

messageRe: Football in the park
Posted by pk May 21, 11:16AM

KidKruger Wrote:
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> I wouldn't dream of trying to explain why other
> people do things pk, nor what they think is
> important or otherwise.
> You could ask them yourself I reckon.


but you've done this multiple times on this thread already!

messageRe: Football in the park
Posted by KidKruger May 21, 11:27AM

I was saying previously that I didn't think a poster was racially motivated.

messageRe: Football in the park
Posted by pk May 21, 11:32AM

KidKruger Wrote:
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> I was saying previously that I didn't think a
> poster was racially motivated.


but in doing that you didnt consider why someone would think that it was important to distinguish white people from the rest when playing football in Dulwich? or how this had anything to do with Peckham?

so what did you consider before reaching your conclusion and calling out others for things they haven't done?

messageRe: Football in the park
Posted by KidKruger May 21, 02:48PM

I was saying previously that I didn't think a poster was racially motivated.
If you disagree tough shit.

If you think someone was being racist report it to whoever you think will listen to your claim.

Gotcha moment free zone !

messageRe: Football in the park
Posted by pk May 21, 03:16PM

KidKruger Wrote:
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> I was saying previously that I didn't think a
> poster was racially motivated.
> If you disagree tough shit.
>
> If you think someone was being racist report it to
> whoever you think will listen to your claim.
>
> Gotcha moment free zone !

i'm pretty sure that it's only you playing a gotcha game (but you're still probably losing).

i'm just trying to understand what you (and others) are saying about e.g. peckham and what peckham's got to do with alleyns playing fields and to understand why people think it's important to identity footballers at alleyns as white or not white

(i think it isn't and think that to think it is important to classify people playing football as white or not is odd and then to jump from alleyns to 'facts' about peckham is a jump based on stereotypes and anecdotal observations not facts at all)

i can see you've got no coherent thoughts on this so i'll not expect any sensible response - 'tough shit' is the best you can come up with!

messageRe: Football in the park
Posted by KidKruger May 21, 06:13PM

pk I don't care what you don't understand.
If you wanna know what lindylou was on about in their posts, ask them.

messageRe: Football in the park
Posted by pk May 21, 08:02PM

KidKruger Wrote:
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> pk I don't care what you don't understand.
> If you wanna know what lindylou was on about in
> their posts, ask them.


I did

But you answered

Iím not sure why

messageRe: Football in the park
Posted by Frankito May 21, 10:00PM

Oh no, Petty Betty has escaped from her cage yet again...



pk Wrote:
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> KidKruger Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > pk I don't care what you don't understand.
> > If you wanna know what lindylou was on about in
> > their posts, ask them.
>
>
> I did
>
> But you answered
>
> Iím not sure why

messageRe: Football in the park
Posted by malumbu May 21, 10:59PM

Wow, this reminds me of the series of Grange Hill where racism was the main theme.

For those not familar with this classic programme its all on Youtube. An hour or so distraction from the current world [www.youtube.com]

Not sure if it was a pivotal moment in kids' TV or some crass oversimplification.

messageRe: Football in the park
Posted by seenbeen May 22, 12:20AM

As it happens- football is not allowed under the rules for covid as it is impossible to social distance...so this thread is illegal

messageRe: Football in the park
Posted by rahrahrah May 22, 10:18AM

The reality is that this will be short lived. The PM has given out extremely mixed messages and trusted 'British common sense' (a very bad idea indeed). We'll be back in lockdown in just a few weeks time would be my guess.

messageRe: Football in the park
Posted by pk May 22, 10:43AM

Frankito Wrote:
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> Oh no, Petty Betty has escaped from her cage yet
> again...
>
>
why do you bother?

messageRe: Football in the park
Posted by Frankito May 22, 02:30PM

Mostly because I feel like it... now whatís your excuse..?

k Wrote:
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> Frankito Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Oh no, Petty Betty has escaped from her cage
> yet
> > again...
> >
> >
> why do you bother?

messageRe: Football in the park
Posted by Odyssey May 24, 11:05PM

In reply to [www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk]

Renata Hamvas Wrote:
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> Definitely not allowed! Please Mountain walker,
> could you email me any details you can, where,
> what time, age of players etc so that we can try
> and identify whether it is one of the clubs that
> usually use the park to play. my details are below
> thanks Renata


Large gatherings regularly playing/watching football on the astros behind Duwich Hamlet FC most afternoons until dark.

Whilst here, can something be done about inconsiderate jogging? I now have returned to using the bus instead of walking because I feel it's safer on the bus rather than on the street with joggers coming up close and panting in my face or from behind brushing past me. Thanks.

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