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messageRe: Goose Green councillors - how can we help?
Posted by nxjen June 10, 02:42PM

Free? Donít think so

messageRe: Goose Green councillors - how can we help?
Posted by Abe_froeman June 10, 03:41PM

I've seen a councillor on twitter confirm that the electricity from the lamp post charging points is free.

messageRe: Goose Green councillors - how can we help?
Posted by nxjen June 10, 03:45PM

Any chance of a link?

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Posted by dresswaves June 10, 07:02PM


messageRe: Goose Green councillors - how can we help?
Posted by Abe_froeman June 10, 07:38PM

Took me a while to find as it was a few months ago, but here is a Dulwich councillor posting a pic of a £35,000 car being charged and confirming the electricity is free.

[twitter.com]

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Posted by edbloke June 10, 09:51PM

Most lampposts seem to be converted or run by a company called Ubitricity and their website has 2 ways to pay, via a smart cable or pay-as-you-go.
[www.ubitricity.co.uk]

No mention anywhere of free charging.

Abe_froeman Wrote:
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> Those who want/need to charge up their car/van
> could just park by their won homes instead and run
> a cable from their own electricity supply.
>
> I don't agree at all with the council providing
> free electricity indiscriminately for people to
> run expensive electric vehicles. It's literally a
> free for all for people from outside southwark and
> for businesses to fuel their vehicle for free when
> we have poor people in the borough living in
> squalid conditions because the council supposedly
> has no money.
>
> It also flies in the face of all the BS posted
> above about the council implementing CPZs in our
> streets to try to discourage people from using
> cars.

messageRe: Goose Green councillors - how can we help?
Posted by Abe_froeman June 12, 10:13AM

Perhaps James McCash can confirm whether or not Southwark are providing the electricity free of charge, but I would be surprised if his fellow conucillor had made a mistake.

messageRe: Goose Green councillors - how can we help?
Posted by Penguin68 June 12, 10:20AM

For a council to be providing a subsidy for non community charge payers (they have no control over who would be using these charging points) must be an error. Are they perhaps paying for the installation of these points, but not then electricity consumed through them? That might make more sense. And it might explain what seems to be two different stories.

Or even, not charging the supplier to install charging points on their lamp posts. So no straight subsidy at all, but also no additional revenue stream for supplying supporting infrastructure. That would make a lot of sense. No costs to the council at all, but a potential revenue stream ignored to encourage electric vehicle usage locally. So then, they wouldn't be charging the supplier of the equipment for siting it on their lamp posts. Hence the 'no charges' concept.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit was june 12, 10:25am by Penguin68.

messageRe: Goose Green councillors - how can we help?
Posted by Abe_froeman June 12, 01:47PM

In that scenario Penguin, would Southwark be buying the electricity (with our money)then giving it away to the supplier for free, and then the supplier sells that electricity to residents charging their cars? That would be pretty appalling wouldn't it?

Also it seems Ubitricity is an offshore company

messageRe: Goose Green councillors - how can we help?
Posted by Penguin68 June 12, 01:59PM

Presumably Southwark pays for the electricity consumed by its lamps, but the charging electricity is separately metered and either charged out to the supplier by Southwark or directly by that supplier

messageRe: Goose Green councillors - how can we help?
Posted by nxjen June 12, 02:01PM

I donít think Southwark are buying any electricity then selling it on, or giving it away, to anyone. I think as Penguin suggests they may be paying for the installation of charging points, or alternatively, not charging the installer for the use of lamp-posts. If Southwark was giving away electricity, free power for people to run their vehicles, there would be a legal challenge very soon. What Andy Simmons says in his tweet does imply this is what Southwark are planning but, yes, councillors do make mistakes and sometimes misunderstand the question.

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Posted by Abe_froeman June 12, 02:36PM

A bit more digging into this , it seems Southwark have used a company called "char.gy" rather than ubitricity.

Char.gy do charge for the electricity and their charging point lam posts on their website look nothing like the one in the photo that Mr Simmons posted. Very curious.

[char.gy]

messageRe: Goose Green councillors - how can we help?
Posted by jamesmcash June 12, 06:02PM

Hi all

Electric car charging points
The council is rolling out electric car charge points across the borough. If you have an electric car or plan to buy one then please email me with your name and address and I can make sure that your street is prioritised.

Each charge point normally serves 4 parking spaces so once a point is installed near your home it should be possible to access it relatively frequently. I have had a fair few people contact me about having a charge point installed near their address but not anyone complain that they have one by their home which they cannot access. In my view, there are not currently enough electric cars in the area to justify rolling out dedicated spaces by the charge points. I worry too that this would add to existing parking pressure.

The electricity provided by these lamposts is chargeable to the user. It is free to request installation of a charge-point though.


Policy on CPZ implementation
I am afraid that I am unsure of how these different documents interact. But I do know for certain that the current policy in practice is the one I support: CPZs to only be implemented with the consent of residents. This will be confirmed, no doubt, when the East Dulwich CPZ is implemented in an area with majority support from residents.

Best wishes
James

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James McAsh - Labour Councillor for Goose Green ward
James.McAsh@Southwark.gov.uk
[twitter.com]

Surgeries: 2nd and 4th Thursdays of the month at 7pm, East Dulwich Community Centre on Darrell Road

messageRe: Goose Green councillors - how can we help?
Posted by Nigello June 12, 06:30PM

once a point is installed near your home it should be possible to access it relatively frequently.

This is wishful thinking. People with cars will park anywhere and won't be thinking of leaving a space for a potential e-vehicle. It's greenwashing and does more harm than good because it gives the impression that thought isn't being put into what should be our priority - containing global heating. Have the courage of your convictions (where you = someone in authority) and fence off spaces for e-vehicles next to charging lampposts. It makes sense to do so and no sense not to do so.

messageRe: Goose Green councillors - how can we help?
Posted by jamesmcash June 12, 06:48PM

Hi Nigello,

As I said above no one has ever contacted me to say that they have an electric car charge point outside their house that they regularly cannot access due to other cars being parked there. If this is the case for you then do let me know and I will look into what can be done about it. But I do not think it is necessary to roll this out as a blanket policy at this moment.

Best wishes
James

--------------------
James McAsh - Labour Councillor for Goose Green ward
James.McAsh@Southwark.gov.uk
[twitter.com]

Surgeries: 2nd and 4th Thursdays of the month at 7pm, East Dulwich Community Centre on Darrell Road

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