So you're bitter because you missed out on Europe after Heysel then? ;-) Look we're not going to agree here, no one seems to be hearing me. heysel was shit, and if it hadn't been for the behaviour of the Liverpool fans, it wouldn't have happened. I've never said otherwise, but there are other factors... Anyway, for the last time, my point is that Hillsborough was very different, and I don't think it's at all fair to compare! Oh, and no I'm not on anything yet, it's a bit early for me. Give me a few hours and ask again...