mockney piers

>Completely off the thread here but being an Irish type I'm curious to know why so many people here use 'we was' instead of 'we were'? At first the missus' constant savaging of the grammar such as 'I would've went' and 'we was' I put down to her apparently being a bad pupil at school (so she tells me). Then I went to Ireland and found much of it to be universal, so I got over it and decided it was a dialect instead. Although I think 'illunimous' is just her family!!

Camberwell borough circa 1885. Not a borough anymore though is it? here's the local area, whatever that means http://visuals.sdgworld.net/camberwell2/

> This though is used far too often to cover up sloppy speech or grammatical ignorance He he, couldn't agree more. I was slightly playing devils advocate as quite a few americanisms I find almost upsetting, especially webby and businessy buzz terminology. I can't get worked up about train station though, sorry.

> Master Piers very funny!!! Master Chef perhaps? May go with mockers if it's still there.

This does have a whiff l'acad?mie fran?aise about it. I admit [skedule] tends to jar me a bit, and I loath few words more than diss (except the original call centre town of course). But to echo downsouth, language does move on. For instance no one seems too bothered that we no longer use 'ye' as second person plural (ye irish types excepted of course) though I think it's a bit sad we lost it. What about cupboard, what happened to good old-fashioned press? etc etc Come on, railway's a bit archaic isn't it....and we have bus stations not turnpike stations.

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OK, got my Halo 3. Will have to use a new gamer tag to get online sadly. Anyone got any suggestions (sad-twat is apparently taken)

On a slight aside, as we're in the lounge, did you know that the russian for train "vokzal" apparently comes from the time Tsar Nicholas I came to visit Britain and went on a train (sorry nero, steam powered railway locomotive), and when they pulled up at a station asked what it was called. He meant the station, but his host misunderstood and answered Vauxhall. Could be myth, but it's a goodun nevertheless.

Really? I'd have thought 'railroad station' was more american than train. 'Train' in the steam locomotive sense appears to be of British origin from my cursory dictionary glancing.

I DO have tomorrow booked off for other reasons, but as I don't have to leave until half four, that does leave some me time in the morning. Tempted I must say.

There really are very few examples of wars where religion was the primary causal factor. At a pinch the first crusade and the explosion of conquest at the birth of Islam. Setting aside the usual conquest/empire/resource wars of the past (*ahem* honest), in the post war period we had lots of post colonial conflicts throught the distorting lens of the cold war. For the most part though it's nationalism, coupled with uncertainty, fear and extremists and/or nasty politicians using the expediency of fear to their own nefarious ends, generally to shore up their local power base. Ooh, now we have a REALLY long list... This was a very informative read on two notorious cases of recent times The Key to my Neighbour's House

oy oy saveloy!!! A year less than Tillie. Wandered around London nomadically since '94. First truly felt at home in ED though.

No more cheese? *sobs* Ok, if it's rawk you want Deep Purple - Fireball I never could get into the 80s metal, I love those proggy moogs too much.

*earl grey, mm favourite* not to strong with a tiny splash of milk please *aaah, perfect start to the day*

It's alright fish, they were actually referring to on "crazynurse" who ended up banned. She really was a loon. Poor Keef, bumped again huh?

Ooh nice cup a cha *pulls up deckchair, takes off galoshes and accepts nice warming cuppa*

I'm generally pretty quick to denounce my own government's too. I'm a firm believer that short of threat of invasion, that violence should never be used as policy, at least not without very good reason. Dialogue should always be the number one route. This is doubly so when you are the one with the power and the strength. However you look at it, responding to a fifth of your population who'd rather not be ruled by you by sending in the tanks, killing tens of thousands of people, burning thousands of towns and villages, and displacing hundreds of thousand of people isn't really a sensible starting point. Likewise 'reshaping' the middle east by sending in the tanks, killing hundreds of thousands of people, displacing millions and reducing several towns to rubble is something of a stain on this nation. I no more approve of the one than t'other.

Brendan, don't forget Honor Oak which was annexed by one of the estate agencies. One Tree Duwlich perhaps?

I don't think I ever said Turkey shouldn't join, I took umbrage that Miliband was unecessarily implying that there are religious reasons why it shouldn't. When we are in a world where Bush harps on about crusades and an innocuous cartoon to stirs up such hysteria, this seemed a pretty daft thing to say. That said the military continue to fight a pretty brutal kurdish suppression, regularly bomb iraq and are even threatening iran; of course if it's good enough for us ;-)

"New Wave Of British Heavy Metal" Like Girls Aloud? Bring it on!!!!

I think my main concern was that I'm not sure Miliband even has much understanding of foreign affairs. This was a scattershot speech which had no sense or cohesion. Depressing. Bring back Robin Cook at least he was clever....hmm...maybe in animatronic form?

I did and take your points, though they don't necessarily deny mine. Some economic factors do still fall short including unemployment and debt. This was frankly true of some of the new members of the rapid expansion into Central Europe over which blind eyes were turned. Again I don't think this was religious discrimination, but more to do with legacy paranoia about Russian intentions and securing a buffer lest the great bear choose to dominate the region again. Now the EU creaks as we absorb all their problems, I don't realistically see Turkish entry within the next decade. And for every Sarkozy and Blair with their religious rhetoric, we have a Zapatero or err... maybe that's about it.

Well, foreign policy speech would always be tricky, but this is jaw dropping http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7012342.stm This: 'In the Middle East, al-Qaeda was using the "suffering of the Palestinians as an excuse for violence", he added.' Coming from the party who gave us: 'clear and present threat / WMDs honest / errr he was a bad bloke who killed lots of people / what's that, we've killed a million huh? whoops, still I was right' that was somewhat rich. This one's good too '"That's why Europe can't be a closed Christian club, why a lasting settlement for the people of Kosovo is a defining test for the whole of Europe, and why Turkey should become a full and equal member of the EU."' Well, firstly it's not, we separated church and state some time ago I believe, and Turkey not getting in has lots to do with a corruption riddled, underperforming economy, an interfering military with a penchant for torture and extra-judicial execution, and armenian-holocaust denial, than with being non-christian. I always suspected Miliband was a Blair clone idiot, but this is depressing. and what on earth has: 'He said: "Europe needs to look out, not in, to the problems beyond its borders that define insecurity within our borders.' got to do with: '"It doesn't need institutional navel-gazing and that is why the reform treaty abandons fundamental constitutional reform and offers clear protections for national sovereignty.' The man's a loon!!

Yeah, not alot of singing. In fact the last one I recall was "you're French and you know you are" to Margate in the FA Cup a few short years back.

I've been playing cooking mama a bit of late which is short term fun, but Oblivion it ain't. Roadster, up for more swappage?