Couldn't agree more! And I hate the way you have to sign up for a whole term at most of them, quite unrealistic when you've got small children as there are so many reasons why you may not be able to attend - in which case you're throwing away money. I went to a taster session of one of the groups you mention above, and found it was really stuffy with far too many rules and regulations to realistically be any fun for a toddler. I've been going to a great music class for over a year now with my oldest child. It's called "Ruby Rhymes", and is at the church at the top of Red Post Hill - not ED, but pretty close by. You don't have to sign up for a term, just turn up when you can, it's ?5 a session, and she doesn't use a CD. She plays guitar, sings a mixture of traditional and original songs and has a good selection of instruments for the kids. It caters for young babies through to school age kids.